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AbdulKalam
Genesis 11:
4. Peoples are saying-"Let's build a tower that reaches the heaven"
6. God is afraid. He thinks that if they continue like this they will be able te do anything. . . So He makes everyone's language different. It was done so that they never group up again like this . . . . And NEVER SUCCEED IN REACHING THE SKY

see: 1 bible ignores that man cannot live in the space
2 God almighty is afraid of man's works
3 despite Gods efforts man has been able to communicate with each other and HAS BEEN ABLE TO REACH THE SPACE
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Ben007Masada
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AbdulKalam, as I can see, you belong with the literal interpretation club. No offense meant, but you display complete lack of understanding in metaphorical knowledge.

I do not discard that there is some thing to learn from the letter of the Scriptures but the real truth is found in the realm of the archetype. That is, metaphorically.

The Biblical account of the tower of Babel is simply an allegory to illustrate the diversity of language among the peoples of the earth. Nothing literal. Otherwise, one is only equating the Creator of the universe with the Greek gods of Mythology.

Anthropomorphism is the word you have described God to be. Like man with all human attributes. Would it be that you are an atheist? Just asking. That's the impression you have left me with. Atheists like to bring to theist's attention of how foolish we are.
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AbdulKalam
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Ben I am not an atheist. . . Not exactly do I belong with what u say.:-)
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AbdulKalam
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Ben is it that the Bible is a grandmothers story composed to lull a small boy who is very fond of giants and strange creatures? I think no. A Holy book should not contain them. . .
These allegories can be found in the words of prophets . I am not a bit dissatisfied with them. . But while accepting this, do you want to say that bible was composed by the greek, who had the idea of myths in their minds while composing? If it is true then where are the true words of Jesus? Who can guarantee that the Jesus's words contained in the bible are authentic? It is highly possible that these may have been distorted by them. . . Don't forget that greeks are notorious for distorting the original name. For instance, the changed the name maryam to mary, hindu to indus, etc. . .
If the above assumption, ie bible is written by the greeks is false, then why are there so much of examples of demons, demigods etc?
If both are false, ie bible is the original word of the prophets, then why is bible containing so many interpolated chapters?
Ben what ever you say, whatever excuse you give to justify the bible, you must accept that it is a man made book.. . . . But don't ask me why the did it, may be because they were inspired by satan to distort the True Word Of The Prophets. . .
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By the way how would you justify that while presenting an allegory to describe the diversity of language, they have insulted God Almighty by saying that God was afraid of human works?
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Ben007Masada
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Oh, good! If you have some training into what the Scriptures point to in metaphorical terms, we are in business.
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Ben007Masada
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Yes, Abdul, the Bible does become a grandmother's story for those who interpret it literally.

The NT yes, it was composed by hellenistic Gentiles, hence the myth of the Greek demigod, which is the son of a god with an earthly woman. That's how they picture Jesus as being born of God with Mary.

The words of Jesus are nowhere. The gospel written by any of the Apostles of Jesus was rejected when the Church organized the canon of the NT.

I have learned from the present Christian NT that only about 20% of and about Jesus is worthy learning something from. The other 80% is made out of hellenistic writings.

The Bible, and I mean both of them, the NT and the Tanach are man-made books. There is no secret about it.

No one is inspired by Satan, as there is no such a thing. According to Judaism, satan is only a concept to illustrate the evil inclination in man as a result of the ill-use of his free will.

It is impossible for God to be insulted. You are already anthropomorphizing God. Jesus himself said in John 4:24 that God is Spirit. To be insulted one must be activated by emotions; and God is not like a man to be insulted.
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AbdulKalam
Replied to:  Yes, Abdul, the Bible does become a grandmother's story for those...
I am not anthropoorphizing God. I do believe God is a spirit. What i was doing was to show that bible itself is representing god as a human.

You have admitted that bible is a man made book. The hellenestic gentiles have indeed ill used their free will. It would have been better on their part to maintain silence, rather than to compose a bible.

If bible contain only 20 % good-to-learn material, i'd rather study the kindergarten text book.

In this world a plain explanation is required. There is not much time to dig out gold from the earth, buying from the store is enough. . . Hope u understand.

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Ben007Masada
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Have you ever heard about metaphorical language? The Tanach
was Divinely inspired, but it was written in the language of man. Therefore, you cannot interpret it literally or you will be blamed for anthropomorphizing the Spirit that God is.

Why should the Hellenists who wrote the NT have kept silence? That's their book. Every one has the right to write whatever he or she pleases.

When I mentioned of being only 20% good to lean material, I was referring to the NT. Not the Tanach. And I was speaking on a personal basis, as a Jew. Christians should be grateful
to hear from a Jew that, at least 20% of the NT is worthy believing. Jews, in general, find zero worthy their time to read from.

Plain and direct explanation must be literal. That's not where the truth is found. To find the real pearls of wisdom
one must dive deeper than that. Check my thread "Where the Truth is Found."
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AbdulKalam
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O! Metaphores! Now u are asking whether i know them or not. These are some literary tools, but don't think they should be there in a holy book . Easier the language, the more it is fits for common people. Ok I have nothing more to say on it as It is a book of yours.

Regarding the hellenists, had they kept silence, the theory of trinity wouldn't have arose, a religion wouldn't have evolved. I don't think the original disciples thought Jesus as a god. But it is the writers of Bible that described Jesus as a God.

Ben regarding your last point, i want to add that it is better if a divine book is in the common language of the people. Again, I don't want to say anything more because It is the book that you like reading. . .

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Ben007Masada
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I read all books. Even the Q'uran I have read. Now, for the
writers of the NT to describe Jesus as being a god, I consider vandalism of Judaism by Christianity because Jesus was a Jewish man, whose Faith was Judaism; and a Jew cannot be described as a god. This is part of the Greek concept of the demigod, which is possible only in Greek Mythology.
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