1. Tune bheje guru tera rasta dikhane ko, log tujhe chod guru ko hi bhagwan man liya.
2. Tune sansar rachaya ki isme reh kar tujhe yaad kare, log parivar chod sirf tujhe yaad karne lage.
3. Tune janam or mrityu ka chakar chalaya, ki log us bich ke samay ka upyog apne karmo ke bandhan chudane me kare, par ye log ruhaniyat dhundne me chal pade.
4. Mata, pita, pati, patni,chacha, tau, ye sabhi rishte janam ke baad bante hai or mrityu ke baad chut jaate hai. ye jag jahir hai. Par ye to sahi nahi ki hum ye sab rishte chod kar hum kewal seva or dharam sadhna me lag jaye.
5. Sabhi ko parmatma ne pet diya hai, to pehle iska palan hoga tabhi dharam or sadhna me dhyan lagega.
6. Par log ghar or parivar ki parwah karte nahi or keval kehte hai satsang me seva karke sare bandhan chut jayenge.
7. Are mata pita bhai bandhu yadi sab aise hi apne aap ko brahm ras grahan karne ke liye, ek dusre ko chod denge or parvah nahi karenge to kya brahm ras mil payega?
8. Yadi office me kaam nahi kare or seva me bahg jaaye to kya ye honesty kehlayegi?
9. Agar saas sasur pati ko khana nahi diya or subah subah satsang par chale gaye to kya guru khush ho jayenge?
10. Agar ghar par subah 8 8 baje utho or koi ghar ka kaam na karo par jab bhandara ho to subah 4 baje uthkar satsang par chale jao, kya yeh sahi hai?
11. Agar saas sasur or pati kisi or dharm me lage huye hai to unka dharam na follow karna or apne hi dharam me adig rehna, kya ye sahi hai?
12. Agar sabhi guru tumhare tak hi pahuchane ka rasta batate hai to mere parmatma ye log kyo ek ko acha keh kar sirf usi ko manane ke salah dete hai, or baki me koi jaaye to use apni or khinchte hai or dusre me shridha nahi rakhte.
13. A mere parmatma, hume to tune janam diya or tune hi maut bhi deni hai. Itni kripa karna ki jis kaam ke liye dharti par bheja hai, vo achi tarah se kar paaye. Na samajh hai or na hi himmat hai kuch karne ki hum me.
14. Par kripya aisa to kar ki log itna samajh jaye ki raste or gantavay me kya farak hai. Guru rasta dikhata hai vo gantavya nahi. Par hum guru ko gantavya maan kar usi ko rijhane me lag jaate hai or tujh tak pahuch hi nahi paate.
15. A mere parmatma, please mujhe shakti de ki hum tere batay huye raste par chal kar, tujhe rijhane vale karam karte hue, ant samay me thujme jyoti jyot ho sake.
16. Par hum saath saath jo tune responsibilities di hai, ki apne maata pita guru bhai bandhu sabhi ki je jaan se seva kare.
17. Kripa rakhna prabhu or galatiyo ki shama karna.

1. मैं आप की बातो से सहमत हु। हमारे धर्म ग्रंथो में कहा जाता है की माता पिता के चरणों में ही स्वर्ग है या यह भी कहा जाता है की जिसने माता पिता की सेवा कर ली उसने स्वयं परमात्मा की सेवा कर ली या माता पिता के रूप में हमे परमात्मा मिल गए। लेकिन जो जीते हमें उस परमात्मा से मिला दे तो क्या वो कम मामूली इंसान होगा क्या उसको परमात्मा का दर्ज नहीं देना गलत होगा। माना की सभी राधास्वामी परमात्मा से नहीं मिल गए लेकिन कुछ बिरले तो होंगे।
2. यह तो बाबाजी भी सत्संगो कहते है की हमें घर बार नहीं छोड़ना है अपने जिम्मेदारियों से पीछे नहीं हटना है। क्यूंकि अगर घर बार छोड़ देंगे तो दो रोटी, सर पर छत और कपड़ो की जरुरत तो घर से बहार भी होगी जबकि पहले तो हम खुद का कमा कर खा रहे थे अब दुसरो के भरोसे है उल्टा घर छोड़ कर दूसरो का कर्ज बढ़ा लिया।
अब अगर सत्संगी गुरु का कहना नहीं मानते तो इसमें गुरु की गलती तो नहीं है न।

1. Guru to galat nahi kar sakte, par agar shishya galat kar rahe hai to koi unhe advise to is baare me de.
2. Kisi book me hi likhe ki parivar ki responsibility bhi nibhani hai.
3. Parivar ko khush rakh kar or unki icha se hi satsang me aaye.
4. Unka doubt clarify kare ki vo bhagwan nahi balki bhagwan se milane wale hai.
5. Itne parivar sirf isiliye tut rahe hai ki bhakt apne guru ko bhagwan samajh kar puj rahe hai or koi bhi or kaam ki parwah nahi karte.
6. Bhakto me sewa karne or satsang jaane ke baad jo ego aati hai use nahi aana chahiye, ye kaun samjhaye?
7. Guru ko khush rakhna target nahi balki uski aadesh se sikh lekar, uske batay huye karam karna, ye zaruri hai.

ऐसा ज्यादातर beas की किताबो में लिखा है है की हमें अपने जिम्मेदारियों से पीछे नहीं हटना है। और बाबाजी तो यह भी कहते है की अगर कोई अपनी जिम्मेदारियों से पीछे हटते है तो यह कोई बहादुरों की पहचन नहीं है यह एक कायरपन की बात है और ऐसा कुछ बुक्स में भी लेख है। सूरमा और बहादुर तो वह होते है जो अपनी जिम्मेदारियों को पूरा करते हुए उस एक परमात्मा की याद में रहे। बाबाजी कहते है की अगर कोई सोचता की अपनी जिम्मेदारियों से पीछे हट कर हमें मुक्ति मिल जाएगी तो वह गलत सोचता क्यूंकि माता पिता, बहन भाई , दोस्त रिश्तेदार आदि सब हमारे अपने पिछले जन्मो के कर्मो के अनुसार मिले हुए है और इन सब से हमारे अपने प्रारब्ध है या कहे ले की लेन-देन है, और अगर कोई बीच से उनका साथ छोड़ दे तो समझो की उसने अपना हिसाब किताब पूरा नहीं किया जिसकी वजह से उसको फिर से जन्म लेना पड़ेगा।
अब भाई गुरु के समझाने में तो कोई कसार नहीं है न, लेकिन अगर सत्संगी किसी और ढंग से समझे तो इसका हिसाब भी तो सत्संगी को ही देना होगा।
बाबाजी ने जो तरीका बताया है है उस मालिक को प्राप्त करने का, तो उस मालिक को प्राप्त करने की जगह घर से अच्छी कोई हो ही नहीं सकती और न ही हमारे किसी काम में कोई दखल होगा।

Last few lines, of udipt123, indicate very clearly that SATSANGIS are taking teachings quite differently and in quite contradictory manner. Earlier on 9th December, 2012 udipt123 had viewed that देखो जब हम सत्संगी लोगो पर परेशानिया आती है तो कई बार हमारा विश्वास डगमगाने लगता हम सोचते है की हमारा कोई काम नहीं बन रहा है। हम सत्संग सुनते है हमें बताया जाता है जो कुछ भी हमारे जीवन के सुख या दुःख है यह केवल हमारे पिछले कर्मो का नतीजा है। सत्संगी होने के नाते हमे एक बात और समझाई जाती है की हमारे कर्म शूली के शूल किये जाते है जब कोई सत्संगी बन जाता है। She further justified her views by giving a critical example,"उधारण के तौर पर :- अगर किसी को 20 किलो कर्म भोगने हो तो सत्संगी को मात्र 1 किलो कर्म ही भुगतने पड़ते है बाकी 19 किलो कर्म हमारे माफ़ कर दिए जाते है। सोचने की बात है अगर हम सत्संगी नहीं नहीं होते तो जो दुःख हम भोग रहे है उसका और 19 गुना ज्यादा हमे भोगना पड़ता या 19 गुना ज्यादा दुखी होते।" So according to this disciple, any criminal after having committed 20 crimes would be forgiven for his 19 crimes if he was a SATSANGI. Having attended so many SATSANGS, I have never ever come across such contents of teachings of BABAJI. He never justified or claimed to manage forgiveness to the extent of 95% of bad KARMAS of any of RSSB disciples. Similar was the fate of other teachings claimed to have be the teachings of BABAJI.
But why these misgivings are continuing/multiplying at such a large scale? This aspect needs analysis in depth to address the whole issue in a prospective manner.
Accordingly,on going through the contents of above discussions, it is pointed out that while attributing any teachings coming from BABAJI by saying that BABAJI says this or BABAJI says that, all such teachings, talked about, cannot be accepted unless these teaching are either telecast direct on TV or these are released through DVDs/CDs. All such sayings are nothing but interpretations of various teachings by different SATSANGIS. As per scientific principles, communication, when travels from one intellectual to another, it is bound to change to any extent and thereby cannot be repeat cannot be attributed to have come from the mouth of BABAJI. So whatever has been attributed in these discussions to have been said by BABAJI cannot be accepted being self contradictory otherwise. At the same time it is not proper to analyze such vital contradictions because these interpretations are only the views of the individual SATSANGI and one should not sit in judgment for commenting on these views.
Above all once RSSB teaches about the basic philosophy of relying on the teachings of a live GURU, it is necessary to quote the teachings of BABAJI/GURU in original without any further interpretations. But no part of teachings of present GURU living GURENDER SINGH DHILON is available anywhere since neither telecast nor released through DVDs/CDs ever.
As such I feel inclined to agree with all the views of RAJAT KWATRA in this topic particularly laying down stress on one’s duty towards family, parents as also job over and above spending of any left over time for KAAR SEWA or Meditation and Donations etc. without any reservations. As otherwise MANU rightly divided our time span and earmarked the age of 75 and above for living a saintly life. KARAM YOG can place everyone in much better position as compared to HAT YOG arising on the teachings of RSSB that too which are not conveyed through BABAJI in the said manner as are conveyed through different SATSANGIS.

Again you have come to the same point of telecasting of live satsang.and i think so that yet you haven't understand that wherever the marked soul would be on the earth it will come in the shed of true master anyhow. the matter is not of clarifying somebodie's doubts through live satsang for master the matter is of calling the marked soul without the support of live satsangs. earlier i also concern about such topics but if master is not concerning than definitly it a worthless issue.
and the matter of forgiving the 95% action it is true b'coz i myself read many time in one of the book a year before and if would come across that line while reading i will inform you the book name. that person was satisfied with my answer in that discussion box even he made a phone call a gave a great thanks for encouraging. there also you were disagree. and i have observed that you and mr mohanlal whatever posted always tries to shows the dera faults or shows your own explorations. i posted only that which i have heard in satsangs or read in the book.
and instead of removing the doubts of rajat kwatra you are conflicting with me in the same discussion box, what he would think.
and sorry for misbehaving but i request you not to post unconsented thoughts in the query maker box.

1.Kya kar rahe hai aap sab log. Itni asan si baat hai ki apne karam karo or saath saath bhagwan ko yaad karo.
2.Ye sab ruhaniyat, meditation to unko samjhao jinko pehle ye samajh aaye ki pehle steps kya hai?
3. Koi ek bhi banda kisi ne dekha he jisne parmatma ko paya ho.
4. Pata hai nahi ki parmatma kya hai, bas sab dore ja rahe hai hare ek ki dekha dekhi.
5. Are bhai school me kabhi dekha hai hi ki saari classes ko ek hi tarah ki teaching di jaaye.
6. Sangat me 95% primary class ke students hote hai or unhe PHD ki coaching de dete hai.
7. Pehle ye to samjho ki ek insaan ko insaan ki tarah rehna chahiye, dusre ke sukh dukh me kaam aana chahiye.
8. Ye sab achi tarah sikh jaaye tab aage sikhao.
9. Sab log naam lene ke liye bhagte hai jaise ki use paakar sari zindagi ke dukh dur ho jayenge. ye nahi sochate ki vo board ki degree hai or us se pehle bahut sare exam pass karne hote hai.
Samajh nahi aa raha ki kahan ja rahe hai hum?

On going through the entire discussion in this box I don't find any contribution by some mr. mohanlal mentioned by udipt123. Anyhow, thanks for misbehavior what soever.But talking about 95% karmas to be got forgiven through RSSB GURU, it is requested to intimate the name of book, if any, contain such views of present live guru GURINDER SINGH DHILON only, whose views on this subject are best known to me at least even if such forgiveness views are quite unacceptable, since lack religious/sentimental wisdom also.
Here is the need of rendering final views of RSSB/GURU, which could be done only if RSSB authorities/GURU also visit RSSB DISCUSSION FORUM periodically and give final views of SATSANGIs vital contradictions,if any,attributed in this FORUM.

Above all in view of RSSB basic philosophy about the need of live GURU in contrast to SIKHs' belief to rely on GURU GRANTH SAHIB, what if views of any of teachings of some earlier RSSB GURU differed from the present live GURU GURENDER SINGH DHILON by taking the modern concepts in account due to development in medical science or otherwise?

Further coming to the current topic, the priorities laid down by Rajat Kwatra are quite clear and need not be disputed after having taken birth with the blessings of GOD whose wisdom cannot be disputed by taking any person's advice over and above HIS wisdom by claiming RSSB GURU's interference in forgiveness of one's bad KARMAS or elsewhere.
As otherwise stress on KARAM YOG cannot be replaced by any other theory. So we need to be very careful in our duties towards our family, parents as also in our job.

I need to go through some books than later i will inform b'coz i read one or two year before

But sited udipt123's views had been recorded in the discussion box only on 9th December, 2012. This means that such views were recorded out of memory only and that too after having read the said deliberations two years ago by remembering the name of SAWAN SINGH who was reported to have given such views in any book. There is a need to take a cautious note of keeping such imprints retained so deep in one's mind.
Hence reference of the book is awaited to know the facts on such a vital issue.

I think the RSSB GURU, the Scientist of Science of SOUL does not believe in the modern development made in any other Science, including development made in electronic science during this decade in particular. Nor RSSB is interested to redress the sufferings of RSSB disciples being forced to travel to far away SATSANG centers at a large scale even under many compelling conditions/circumstances, due to their blind belief in this Religious cult. There appears to be some logical reason hidden behind this approach, best known to BABAJI. This all is going on despite the fact that there are lot of changes made by the present GURU in the basic philosophy of RSSB which is definitely a welcome move due to development made in modern spiritual world beliefs also and all such changes are bound to occur in any science to be taken as nothing but a sign of development.

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