The question is:

If we have a man-made flying saucer in outer space with no air, can we generate an unbalanced force on it to provide propulsion without ejecting anything?

Some scientists blindly quoted action=reaction and said that the above was impossible.

However, a simple experiment with a coil repelling two identical permanent magnets in opposite direction with unequal padding proved that these scientists were wrong.

The Tong Po Chi device is even better. Instead of using one coil and two magnets, the device uses two coils and one magnet. The magnitude of the unbalanced force is greater and easier to control.

An educational product is being developed to demonstrate the above.

The videos related to the Tong Po Chi device can be found on youtube.com. The search keyword is Tong Po Chi Device. More improvement is the search via raymond ting.

The videos related to the Tong Po Chi device can be found on youtube.com. The search keyword is Tong Po Chi Device. More improvement is the search via raymond ting.

See also
http://hk.geocities.com/winghang20022002/Obama08/frame.htm

Effort is being focused on an Educational Product for Universities and Schools.

The objectives of the product are:
1. Provide hands-on experience on electromagnets and magnets.
2. Get the student to thoroughly understand and test the 'generating unbalanced force from within a closed system' theory.

The product will help to train the student to do the following:

1. Use the soldering iron to make firm electrical connections
2. Produce functional crocodile clips
3. Produce electromagnetic coils with different wiring and different number of turns
4. Check out the experiment with one electromagnetic coil and two weak permanent magnets hitting opposite surfaces with unequal padding.
5. Check out strength of the electromagnetic repulsion by having the magnet jump out upwards. The height of the jump can be used to calculate the momentum imparted.
6. Check out the vertical jumping of the Tong Po Chi device via magnetic repulsion.
7. Check out the vertical jumping of the Tong Po Chi device via magnetic attraction. Focus on the capability of carrying the tube up without collision
8. Use the timer on the Tong Po Chi device with one magnet and two coils. Allow the device to move vertically and horizontally.
9. Use different number of turns on the two coils and also use different timer settings. Note the need to use correct timer setting to match the setup for the expected results.
10. Systematically tabulate the results

This product will set the foundation for the next Educational Product

Do you expect the average university student to finish the above experiments within one laboratory session?

Or would that be an open session with the student showing his crocodile cable and the Tong Po Chi device jumping in various ways at the end?

If the educational product were to be used by students other than those majoring in physics or electrical engineering, should the following be added:

(a) Use of multipurpose meters (ohm, volt, amp)
(b) Use of fuse to protect the circuit
(c) Use of resistance or variable resistance to adjust the current or voltage to the device
(d) Display the shape of the magnetic field with iron filings
(e) The generation of electricity by a moving magnet through a coil (concept of the collector coil)

The product can come with a video and point to a website with discussions etc. What do you think?

I found the following:

http://www.chinadhc.com/pdf/E-PDF/E-DH48S-S.PDF

The Tong Po Chi device uses the dual timer mechanism. Can you explain that in greater detail?

With the DH48S-S timer, there can be two timer settings T1 and T2.

In the Tong Po Chi device, there can be two coils of unequal winding turns. Let us call them N1 and N2.

When T1 is on, N1 will be on and N2 will be off. The resulting action is determined by N1 and the permanent magnet M.

When T2 is on, N1 will be off and N2 will be on. The resulting action is determined by N2 and the permanent magnet M.

For example, we can let both the N1 and N2 coils interact with the permanent magnet M via attraction.

When T1 is on, M will be attracted towards N1 but will not fly away. At the end of T1, the current to N1 will be off. M willbe attracted towards N2 but will not fly away. The cycle repeats.

If there are unequal number of turns on N1 and N2, the resulting attraction forces will be different. The resulting Tong Po Chi device will move in the direction of the stronger net force.

The duration of T1 and T2 can be adjusted. This affects the net force on the Tong Po Chi device. Thus the "frequency" of the dual pulse does affect the motion of the Tong Po Chi device.

This can indeed give rise to the anti-gravity effect. When the dual pulse is on, the weight of the Tong Po Chi device decreases. This effect is being researched by one of the top Chinese Research Laboratories.

If I understand your explanation of the DH48S-S timer correctly, there is some inefficiency.

The Tong Po Chi device operates on a short burst of current to produce the magnetic attraction or repulsion. Having the current passing for the entire duration of T1 and T2 would be inefficient.

If pulsed oscillation (e.g. the Lee-Tseung Pulled Pendulum) can lead-out gravitational energy, is it possible for the pulse vibration (i.e. the Tong Po Chi device) to lead-out magnetic energy?

Http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCHOkR-S800&feature=channel_page

This is the first experiment to demonstrate that an unbalanced force can be generated from within a closed system.

In the video, the red side is sealed with a one dollar Hong Kong coin that represents a hard surface. The black side is sealed with a loose black tape that represents a soft surface that can absorb energy. The video clearly shows that the movement is towards the hard surface as expected from the theory.

This particular experiment is tricky because we need to select two weak magnets that will be separated by a non-magnetic plastic tube. These two weak magnets will still attract each other to the opposite end of the plastic tube. The coil must generate enough repulsive force to push the two magnets away towards the surfaces of the outer cylinder. Since the magnets are weak, they can be demagnetized by the strong magnetic field from the coil.

The trick is to reverse the current to magnetize the two magnets again. However, the new magnetism may not be identical to the old one and some tuning is required to reproduce the same result. It is important to capture the result on the video as soon as the experiment is successful.

There are three YouTube videos showing the effect of unbalanced forces.
Experiment 2a (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRO_F7sVGcg) shows a magnet repel by the coil and shoot out from the tube. The tube then swings with a large amplitude. This is similar to a gun recoiling after shooting a bullet.

Experiment 2b (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5EmV4TSiYE) shows the magnet hitting a hard surface. The swing will be minimum. Experiment 2c (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcOyMtylw_A) shows the magnet hitting a soft surface. The swing should be slightly larger than that in experiment 2b.

This experiment (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSSSiEj_6S8) uses magnetic repulsion to send the magnet up . The jumping height will change with strength of the magnet, the number of turns in the coil and the strength of the electrical current. Once we know the jumping height, we can calculate the velocity( mgh=1/2mv\*v).

Http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkaIaKzaQ48
This is experiment 4a that demonstrate magnetic repulsion. The magnet is actually repelled by the coil and jump out from the tube.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_QXr0U_Xgg
This is experiment 4b. It demonstrates magnetic repulsion. The magnet is already inside the tube. The top of the tube is sealed with a Hong Kong one dollar coin. When the magnet jumps up, it will strike the hard surface and bring the whole tube up.


http://www.youtube.com/watchv=bGqx191RjQI&feature=related
This is experiment 4c. It demonstrates magnetic repulsion. The magnet is first placed in the tube. The tube is placed in a horizontal position. When current is passed, the magnet will travel towards the LHS. Due to action and reaction, the tube would move towards the RHS. Since there is a loss of energy of the moving magnet, the net force will be towards the RHS. Thus we see the net movement towards the RHS.

Http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCz1Byt7fVI
This is experiment 5. It demonstrates magnetic attraction between a coil and a permanent magnet. This is different from magnetic repulsion in 2 important ways. The first is that the force of attraction increases when the distance between the coil and the magnet decreases. The second is that the magnet will not fly out because the coil will attract it back.

There is no need to seal the top. That means there is no physical collision with a hard surface. The magnet will not be damaged because of collision.

Http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lh0aL69Wu9g
This is experiment 6. It demonstrates both repulsion and attraction. The magnet is placed at the bottom coil which provides repulsion. When current is passed through both coils, the magnet will jump up and carry the whole tube up. The upward force will be greater than either repulsion or attraction alone.

Http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVghe2gWPfo
This is experiment 7. It wants to show that when one magnet jumps up, it could carry the whole apparatus of two tubes. It hopes to show that while the apparatus is in mid air, the second magnet will help to send it up higher.

However, this particular video cannot demonstrate that effect conclusively. The weigh of the apparatus is too high and the magnetic repulsion force is too low.

Dear Forever,

Thank you for doing and showing the experiments.
I believe you will continue with the Tong Po Chi improvement of having 2 coils and 1 magnet. It is much better than the original experiment 1 of having 1 coil and 2 magnets.

If we focus on using magnetic attraction for both coils and one coil having more turns than the other, we can test for the unbalanced force. This type of unbalanced force is expected to be larger and easier to control. There will be no degrading due to collision. The Magnet will continue to keep its strong magnetism as the pulsing current will always try to magnetise the magnet.

The first set of experiments can be done by hand

Http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwmOPb38meQ

This experiment (8a)uses repulsion from both coils. The magnet is first repelled to the LHS by one coil. It is then repelled by the other coil. Such action can be made automatic via the use of timers. The unbalanced force can then be demonstrated and measured.

Http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4bNDDP3d1k

This experiment 8b uses both coils as attraction. However, one coil has more turns than the other. The magnet is first attracted towards the RHS. It can then be attracted back by the other coil. The same motion can thus be repeated. Because of the difference in turns in the two coils and unbalanced force can be produced.

Http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ-e0OcGT_c

This experiment 8c uses attraction on one coil and repulsion on the other. Since both action moves the magnet to the LHS. We need to push the magnet back by hand thus this set up cannot be automatic.

Experiments 8a, 8b and 8c use 2 coils of unequal turns and a permanent magnet.

The unbalanced force produced can be tuned. With attraction from both coils (Experiment 8b), the best result can be achieved.

The plan is to produce an Educational Product. There will be no dispute on the experimental results. Many thousands can repeat the same experiment.

Http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=2794.4110

Use of timer is described in the above discussion forum. The three diagrams should provide very clear pictures.

The last experimental hurdle related to timers has been overcome.

We need to add suitable resistors to limit the current to the timer. Once that is done, the device will jump as long as there is current without getting overheated.

The choice between thin and thick copper wire has been decided.

Thin wire will allow more turns. It has higher resistance and thus allow lower current.

All demonstrations can be done with lower current. The decision is to use the 15V DC adaptor that can provide 2 amps constant current.

60 turns of thin copper wire used has about 3 ohms. If we add another 5 ohm resistor (actually a variable 10 ohm resistor) in series, the resultant current will be 15/8 or 1.67 amps. That is within the specification of the adapter.

So far, all experiments tested worked. The education product will now be properly packaged.

The educational product will now be properly packaged.

How about the Tong Po Chi brushless pulse motor?

It is already spinning. Should you add that in the educational product?

We need to extensively test the various components before turning the invention into a product.

The Tong Po Chi device was demonstrated in Christmas 2008 and it took us 6 months to make into a product prototype.

The Tong Po Chi brushless pulse motor can be the next product. Many people are waiting on the adding of the Collector Coil function. If Lead-out energy can be proven, there would be even greater excitement.

Http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/m4Gnyqrx644/

The above is the Tong Po Chi 2 coil, 1 magnet device. It conclusively proves that an unbalanced force can be produced from a closed system.

We can improve its performance with higher frequency.

Those anti-gravity devices that use high pulse frequency now have good explanations. They may not all be hoaxes.

Http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/GeCgi6MVodQ/

This is the Tong Po Chi brushless pulse motor. There are four magnets on the rim of a wooden wheel. Note that the wheel is started by hand. When a magnet passes close to the magnetic sensor, the sensor will send a signal to trigger the current to the pulse coil.

The pulse coil will repel a magnet causing clockwise rotation of the wooden wheel. Thus there will be 4 pulses per revolution.

The Lee-Tseung lead-out theory predicts that gravitational and magnetic (electron motion energy) will be lead-out by such a pulsing mechanism.

This Tong Po Chi wooden wheel is the first of many prototypes to confirm the Lee-Tseung theory.

The planned date to demonstrate that Input plus lead-out energy is greater than output energy is on May 28, 2009. This will be the first time the device is shown to outsiders.

There were ten participants in the mini-internal demonstation on May 28.

The actual powerpoint presentation was repeated twice as one important person came an hour early. That turned out to be a blessing as that dry-run helped to make the later presentation much more smooth.

Every participant used his/her figure to start the Tong Pulse Motor. They all saw how the input and output measurements were taken. There was little doubt that the Input Voltage was 12V as that was from a battery. The new coils have 50 ohms resistance and that measurement was repeated many times.

They could all see that the Output Voltage reached 60 Volts AC. There was a small panic as one of the coils dropped out and after connecting back, the Output Voltage was only 45 Volts AC. It turned out that the two ends of the coil was unintentionally misconnected. That turned out to be a good lesson. Even though the output was AC, we still needed to be careful about the connecting wires in the pulse generator. (We do not need to care on the output load.)

The focus of the discussion turned to "whose figure" we should use at United Nations. A number of improvement suggestions on the presentation and the technical set up were raised.

The most important technical point was that with the same type of coils for drive coil and collector coil, overunity can be achieved if the total output voltage (DC) can be demonstrated to be higher than input.

Http://rapidshare.com/files/239193987/business.rar.html

This is the business version of the presentation file shown on May 28, 2009.

See:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=2794.msg188513#msg188513

The diagram shows the design of the Platform. The Platform can be used to test pulse coils of various sizes, magnets, orientations etc.

0-16 coils can be manually set.