Considering the religious philosophy espoused by practicing Muslims how should a American Christian view this apparent move by the Muslim community. I myself see no reason to not allow the building of this community center. My concern is rather with the toleration debate between Muslims and those of differing faiths. There seems to be a double standard or a duel sided response to issues of faith as Muslims who live in America have now to encounter the US Constitution within which resides proclamations of free speech and rights for all. But for those who hold to the literal translation of the Koran on doctrines of non-toleration their final convictions on matters of faith and doctrine are tantamount. How they walk this constitutional fence of conformity must make them aware of what they must give up on matters of faith and doctrine!
According to all reports in countries where others of Christian faiths are living there is a no tolerance for those outside the Muslim faith. Yet the Muslim community in America is willing to live together as citizens with those of other faiths. Why this is so may not be so mysterious as the way in which a believer interprets his or her faith has much to say on how a person of faith lives, not primarily in word, but in deed.
Without question it is common knowledge that there is ongoing persecution of Christians and others of different faiths in those countries where Muslims are in the majority.
I think there is a general mistrust by Christian Americans that the Muslim community in America is of a puritanical character and as such is thought to contain militaristic elements of the original teachings of the Koran. Such literalist’s teachings do not allow for communities of differing faiths to exist side by side. This is what many Americans believe was part and parcel of the character of those who perpetrated the assaults of 911.
If on the other hand American Muslims are reformed in their interpretations of the Koran then there exists such toleration and reinterpretation of the Koran to fit the cultures of the day. This non-threatening posture allows them to be to more accessible to differing faiths allowing for plurality of thought of which the framers had in mind when they form the US Constitution.
How does an American Muslim want to be viewed when it comes to sharing with others of different religious beliefs? They way in which a Muslim interprets the Koran makes a big difference in determining what the Koran says of trusting those of different beliefs.
Should I take confidence that American Muslims have interpreted the Koran in such a way as to be congenial to various faiths and so are domesticated to the culture in which they reside? This is the concern of Americans who view the 911 incidents. More on this below:

THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 2, 2010
Moderate Muslims and Religious Tolerance

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It was reported this week, in a matter of interest only to his family, a handful of Lutherans and Catholics, and maybe a couple of Episcopalians, that Dr. Michael Root, theologian and professor at Lutheran Theological Southern Seminary in Columbia, SC, has converted to Catholicism. He is a talented and well informed lecturer, and I enjoyed his course in Ecumenism very much. I'm not at all surprised that he has been received into the Catholic Church.

Four hundred years ago in Europe such a move as Dr. Root's likely would have resulted in one having to give up all worldly possessions and move to a different country. Depending on who his neighbors and rulers were, it could have resulted in his death. But Christians have come a long way since those late Middle Ages, possibly becoming more moderate but definitely more tolerant while hopefully developing a better understanding of Jesus’ teachings.

Because of issues of tolerance and moderation raised by the proposed mosque in lower Manhattan, the Wall Street Journal dedicated a full page of its 9/1/2010 Opinion Section to essays by six “leading thinkers” charged with defining “moderate Islam.” Their names and what I judged to be their most helpful points are:

Anwar Ibrahim, Opposition leader in Malaysia: (After describing and identifying with “mainstream” Muslims – no different from moderate Christians, Jews, etc.)

“The tyrants and oppressive regimes that have been the real impediment to peace and progress in the Muslim world must hear our unanimous condemnation. The ball is in our court.”

Bernard Lewis, Princeton Emeritus Professor and author: (After describing a Muslim history of tolerance for people of other faiths even exceeding Christian tolerance in many cases)

“For the moment, there does not seem to be much prospect of a moderate Islam in the Muslim world. This is partly because in the prevailing atmosphere the expression of moderate ideas can be dangerous – even life threatening.”

Ed Husain, Author and counter extremist think tank founder: (After explaining that the word “moderate” implies something less than complete. He has a point. What serious Christian wants to be described as “moderate?")

“I am fully Muslim and fully Western. Don’t call me moderate – call me a normal Muslim.”

Reuel Marc Gerecht, Former CIA operative: (After describing his excellent relationship with the family of his Muslim college roommate)

“That is the essence of moderation in any faith: the willingness to exist peacefully, if not exuberantly, alongside non-believers who hold repellant views on many sacred subjects.”

Tawfik Hamid, Former member of Islamic radical group: (After arguing that Islam includes teachings that promote hatred and eventually breed terrorism)

“Moderate Islam must not be passive. It needs to actively reinterpret the violent parts of the religious text rather than simply cherry picking the peaceful ones.”

Akbar Ahmed, American University professor and former Pakistani ambassador: (After arguing that the classification “moderate” is inappropriate and that there are three broad categories of Muslims, mystic, modernist, and literalist)

“The literalists believe that Muslim behavior must approximate that of the Prophet in seventh-century Arabia. Their belief that Islam is under attack forces many of them to adopt a defensive posture. And while not all literalists advocate violence, many do.”

These are all excellent and helpful points, and I recommend reading the essays. I have little personal experience with the Muslim faith. A business trip to Saudi Arabia in the 1980’s was an interesting but uncomfortable experience that satisfied my need for such adventures. We got the standard warnings about never making eye contact with or even looking at any women in the street. We bought bootleg cassette tapes of Western music (The Kingston Torio, for example) and stepped out of shops into the street when the call for prayer necessitated their closing. We had a wonderful stag dinner at the home of a Saudi businessman where we were served grape juice from a corked bottle as if it were a fine wine complete with steward, a white towel draped over his arm, as he poured a sip for the host to taste. Later in a non-Saudi private home, we were entertained with a full bar in mixed company with curtains drawn.

In my ignorance and lack of sensitivity I committed a major faux pas in a meeting with our potential business partner over concern about performance of our product in their climate. They kept pressing wanting to know if we had any customers in their part of the world. I finally remembered that we had a customer in Israel and, not being a real quick thinker, blurted it out. The room became very quiet as everyone turned and stared at me. That may have been my first PC speech violation since the PC movement had not flourished in the US at that time. We didn’t make any deals, which was fine with me.

It seems to me that the bottom line is that until Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, etc., are made welcome and given rights and provided protection in Muslim countries as Muslims are here, talk of moderation and tolerance will never overcome the suspicion of many Americans that we are justified in feeling threatened by the Muslim faith. In early August, ten "Christian missionaries" in Afghanistan were executed by The Taliban who accused them of trying to make Christian converts. Earlier this week the WSJ reported that Libyan leader Col. Gadhafi was in Rome meeting with 800 Italian women in an effort to persuade them to convert to Islam. According to the story by Stacy Meichtry, the attendees were paid to attend and were given copies of the Quran, and “a handful of women converted to Islam.” Well, that got a little more attention, including Wall Street Journal coverage, than Mike Root converting to Catholicism but still inspired no threats of violence against Muslims as far as I know. That is an example of the kind of “tolerance” we would like to see provided non-Muslims in predominantly Muslim countries. It's a permanent fix the world awaits, and I hope and believe it would please God as well.

Can you please make things simple and tolerable for sicks,hinduus and non-musslems. I mean make a point

Thankyou for your post silvermirror, it reflects... that you are only concerned about practising Muslims...Hope you will try to make it easier for people of different religions who are in great difficulty because of 911.

Certainly it's "OK", as long as they don't object to having a Gay Bar, Strip joint and whore house next door. Always remember, it's tolerance we seek!

I guess what I am asking deals with what American Muslims believe. What is the end result of their faith? If I examine the way Muslims treat their neighbors in countries where there is no toleration then I suppose it is to have complete absorption of all faiths into one, namely Muslim.
What is the difference between American Muslims and say Iranian Muslims on these matters? Do American Muslims differ from their counterparts in the rest of the world when it comes to this point? If so, why? Is it because of the political climate they find themselves in or do Muslims compromise their interpretations to meld with the culture in which they reside?
My feeling is that American Muslims do not practice the same type of faith as their counterparts who have no toleration of other faiths. They either are eschewing this issue or they are interpreting the Koran in a non-literal way. Which is it?
I would appreciate a candid response by an American Muslim concerning what they believe here in America and how it differs from Muslims in other countries where no toleration is the rule.

Hi Silverglass

I'm not an American , but I would like to carry on this debate a little furhur/farthur etc, as my father(baap) used to say sometimes it is good to drag the corpses to make sure they are completely dead lol. ..I apologize if I offended some people at this forum, it was about some debates which are never-ending..though!

I would like to express my views in 'simple words' too.. after reading your wordy posts..(actually I didn't bother to read ..I sensed the contents..which were very handy and catchy that interested me)

So I would like to state on behalf of some American friends whose friendship I've been blessed with...and who represent true American regime..so to speak lol..that there is no such thing as TOLERANCE..it's just another WORD...mis-fitted in any Eastern or Western perspective...I'm including..Great Britian and Canada...too..lol

This world runs like a business of giving and taking...and certainly with cost .... price and cause and effect...actions and reactions...etc..etc..etc..

I 'personally' believe that everyone wants to LIVE..most certainly...but to LET LIVE..is quite hard for them...so what happens is..due to INJUSTCE...many ups and downs..comes in relations in general and in particular...especailly for those who themselves are not very FIT IN NORMS of the typical society.

The inventions of weapon and their propagations have produced the concept of TERRORISM...based on the basic instint of a creation called HUMAN...whether it is some 'kind' of 'clothing' or not.....

Having made Terrorists out of peaceful people...WEST is shouting for PEACE...lol...which is ridiculous indeed...

Now about Muslims..especailly 'pracitising'...who wants to LIVE IN WEST....have to be very TOLERANT ...socially and politically...that's what they want..

But my mother also told me that if someone bad is enocourages , he/she will continue to do so...so he/she should be made aware of what he/she is /has been doing...
Like I don't agreed to her ..most of the time...I kept on saying a bad person..good...good..good..lol...but..it didn't work..so what if people wants to talk and walk disasters..instead of peaceful solutions...right in the first place..a wicked clergy suddenly starts talkinng about divinity...and people start calling him/her...a hypocrite...is just something inevitable to be thought of...
so it could be like..he/she ...is very scared...or..wants to try new weapons..I'm talking about America and American Policy...

so I think life keeps teaching everyone new lessons and it's an endless process of weird communications..lol..which I don't agree with...I feel it is best to withdraw..and that's what I prefer...and that's what I persoanlly would do...leave and never look back...but their are dues to pay back..so I prefer to stay for a while...

So I would say enjoy...your stay where ever you prefer to be..your way..but do not expect/hope that people will always agree with you...

Hope you'll get good responses from like-minded people soon, who actually LIVE in America.. :)

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I would like to comment on Tps2tpy's words of wisdom too...
may he/she is not aware of the very existance of all the categories mentioned in his/her post....in EASTERN and MUSLIM socities...TOO...it's just a bit of tricky but full of treats...I believe.. lol

Mostly we serve others what we have at home..like if we like tea ..we usually ask and serve tea to the guests..it's very natural...
People who are left alone..or are attached by/from useen/known directions...would prefer to 'serve' people 'anything' ..without asking...others..lol

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ADDITIONS TO MY POST:

To specify I would say you need a health card to have health benefits , esp. in the west..or otherwise they don't care about the human-deaths..you need a library card to get a book..otherwise no one cares about your eductaion or interest...I have heard about so many case of animal abuse....by those who blame others for inhumanity, globally...

And what about the neighborhood...no one cares when a a house or apartmaent catches fire...they steal and robe eachother..remember what happened the night NewYork had the blackout ..it was the worst case senario..to show American's high moral to the world...
So even neighbors won't let you in.. twice..let alone..friends..who takes you for-granted and bring your TOLERANCE at a saturation points....
...and then blame the precipitations...lol!

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P.S. So 911 didn't even work for Christian majority , all around the world...but has also taught Muslims...some unique lessons of the history...I salute it..9...1....1...
an emergancy dial-up..written at phone....lol!

Scary!!!!!!!!!.lol....and scared are always those who has doubts about themselves....well they advise others to trust-themselves..lol

I agree with tp2ply . I like all what you have mentioned in your posst, and I can handle and tolerrate them.They are very tolerant to all people and do not mind visitting the community centers of musslems if they are not clossed. Thye were not effected by 911.they only beacme out of their professions because many of their relatives were emplployee in trade centers. They want to build something else but they are afraid of musslems

So I would like to state on behalf of some American friends whose friendship I've been blessed with...and who represent true American regime..so to speak lol..that there is no such thing as TOLERANCE..it's just another WORD...mis-fitted in any Eastern or Western perspective...I'm including..Great Britian and Canada...too..lol


With all due respect but I find the above statement intolerable! It implies fatalistic skepticism about human nature.
Are there no laws by which men live by? Are not communities governed by such laws, which are derived from the community, which cries out for justice when injustice plagues the civility of the people? No one really wants to live in a world without some measure of peace do they?
If the united assaults by the allied armies against the Nazi regime had not taken place I would dare say it would have been inhumane?

Well...Sir..I would deem your very first declaration to be a sign of intolerance, too lol (I apologize for lols..I write them when I feel I'm on the left!!! lol)

Human Actions are governed by the Human Nature ONLY!..
That's the LAW...written in stone..portraying the ANGEL and The DEVIL...both in me..I mean in you...or in anyone else..who comes under the category of this specie..

Though many commandments are written on the tablets out there yet, there's an ever-lasting battle of the outer and inner laws..that remains...

In their own families, people struggle for the survival of their own-self each and every day...so much so that the reliability of the closest of the relations can be threatened. People let their fathers, mothers,sisters and brothers down..which are supposed to be blood-links...let alone other relations which needs proofs lol...

I mean to say..is what I have written ..exactly...lol..
Humanity is suffereing amongst humans..because it takes a human to act humane (wordy! for some people ..but true)

Now ...talking about taking revenges..I think it is not possible either..especially when small birds are shadowed by the big large birds.When media and technicial support turns against you ..and make you a puppet in hand or at least make public believe what they want to believe...
for example..you are not in position of attacking someone...but they show you are ON...while you are OFF..etc..lol..
This simple example makes the opponents take their positions to assault.I think to be in war is less dangerous than to remain in the state of war...lol..that's what is happening in and outside the worlds BEST STATE..called the UNITED lol STATE..

Now with due respect I agree to what you have concluded using best of your reasoning and judgment..I mean not returning the favours ..within the limit of resources...could be injustice...or inhumane...

We are not birds! As for you position on being in war as being less dangerous I think you are without conscience concerning 911 seeing you somehow have mistakenly blamed the media for what people finally do. Each and every action a person does toward an end is conceived in the heart of the perpetrator and as such is it the direct action of the person who premeditates this final action.
I get the feeling you are a in some respect a sympathizer with those who perpetrated the horrors of 911. If I am right about this then your words are as I first thought, filled with fatalistic and skeptical mysticism and as such you show your transparency as a determinist in philosophy.
Where do your sensibilities come down on this? Are you so insensitive to these issues to dismiss them as what ever will be will be > the future is not ours to see>Ke sera sera!

I do not agree with Silverglass

oooooooopsssssss...hope tp2ply won't mind...it happens in big countries...just for safty....I replied to silverglass not you...Avatar or Avatar0...

Silverglass lol, let me laugh a loud at your childish statements first about such a serious issue....lololololol...that's what usually happens to my anger..when it finds humor all around the world and makes me BOLD enough to write everything in bold which looks very serious. I have never experienced such tolerance in me before, unless I happened to face the real world out-lawed..lol sorry for that btw...

Now I come to my point which you have missed in my post so far...here it is .
see..did you see it..with the bird-eye-view...its all simple and silent..as my favourite teacher assasinated just like Gandhi (starved to death) said..The real in us is silent; the acquired is talkative.lol..
and one more I forgot...which says ....there's Silence in depth...silence is mightier than the words and swords ..it plays a great great role and can break the giant walls and dams..lol..see...it was just one thing silence can do..sorry the topic is losing the track..
I come back to the point now it is still there/their I mean no matter what ever you think of yourself you can't be smarter than the one who control the strings...No I'm not calling you a puppet but that's how one choose to act..when you litarily break the rules..lol

I quote here your words now..
"Each and every action a person does toward an end is conceived in the heart of the perpetrator and as such is it the direct action of the person who premeditates this final action. "

can you please explain it in simple English.. I think my conscience is still not SOLD by 'them'...what should have been done otherwise..when everything becomes involunary lol!

woohoo..I liked the other sensence too..
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your words are as I first thought, filled with fatalistic and skeptical mysticism"
I confess...

Well I don't understand how you really want to end your argument..but it could be..something less weird lol

You said>"Each and every action a person does toward an end is conceived in the heart of the perpetrator and as such is it the direct action of the person who premeditates this final action. " can you please explain it in simple English.. I think my conscience is still not SOLD by 'them'...

If an agent called “A” determines to carry out a future free-will action B then A is responsible for that action. This is why we hold people responsible for their actions.
For example: If your daughter decides to stay out latter than the curfew that you set in place for her, she may on pain of retribution say you forced her to stay out late because her friends encouraged her by informing her that you are taking away her rightful freedom as a freewill agent.
You said that people are forced to do actions by others and so they are therefore not completely responsible for their actions because the political structures that are in place are forcing the outcome of such actions. What is the difference if your daughter stays out late if you are in the end responsible for her actions?
But you seem to think that others can make you into a irresponsible puppet ,you said> “Now ...talking about taking revenges. I think it is not possible either..especially when small birds are shadowed by the big large birds.When media and technicial support turns against you ..and make you a puppet in hand or at least make public believe what they want to believe...
I cannot in all good conscience condone the actions of those who perpetrated the 911 horrors by saying that they had no choice but were forced by political agendas. Muslims seem to think that the American political machine is being influenced by Zionists factions whose main interests are in bringing about an end to all that Muslims hold holy including taking away of their so called holy lands. Because of this they are being forced to perpetrate terrorists attacts throughout the world in order to self preserve themselves (self –defense). In other words muslim terrorists are not responsible for their actions because they have no choice in the matter. Does this sound right to you?

Thankyou for you questions Silverglass,

1- If you will make things personal then you may not apply the general rule of any arbitrary standard which is socialy accepted so-to-speak.
Things change or may be affected when taken personally .A Judge may become emotional towards his/her own persaonal case which might affect the decisions. It is humanly and humans can never be perfect.

I would like to give you an example...this happened quite recently. I was hired as one of the jurist to decide about the finalists for a team of Artists and Architects to revitalize our community site...simply changing the out-dated look of town-houses into modern tall galssy buildings and to give an aesthectic touch to the community park. There were about 35 porfolios handed us to study the aesthetic approaches/capabilities/potential and experiences of the artist who had applied for the project.
We were supposed to look at the visuals at the meeting time..and were supposed to score the different criteris mentioned in the form given to us.
There were experienced artist also included in the commitee..
All were expert spoke-people...but what they had been depending upon fo teh final decisions were all based ypon the visuals..things which were OBVIOUS and VISIBLE...and through the words written in-between lines...and th eimpressions of their perosnalities and their approach and potentials...which was very very SAD..
My decision was different and at a point when I saw the crowd following the SAME direction..I trusted my self because I knew waht was in my mind...and I had no option then to withdraw ...Well they insisted me to stay on...then I requested them to show me the VISUALS AGIAN..and then my VERDICTS...affected the final decisions and outcomes which were NOT apprecaited much by many who were in spot-light and were CHOOSING SPOTLIGHTED....

Another Aspect..
It also depends upon the individaul experiences. If someone has no experience of being a father or mother , they certianly can't talk about sons and daughters, neither they can understand or feel the pain when sons and daughters are humiliated or mis-guided. Parents first instinct is wishing them happiness and never compete with their rights but to help them make more confident about their own decisions.If they interfere purposely, then it should be having a reason to save them from harm.

I would also like to give an example here...

I write poetry and so do my son and my daughter...I always wanted them to join me at the site I joined but since my son's poetry is quite immature due to her age..and my daughter had her own reasons not to do so I didn't insist..that was the respect of her freedom too. Quite recently she showed me her very personal poems with deep spirit which I wanted her to share with poets of good spirits who want to spread love, rrespect, sympathy, justice and friendship across the world through words..
But sahll I tell you what poets of poets did to her and her mother..NO...because words can't express EVERYTHING...
and th eworld of selfish competitions is not a place to TRUST my dear...

I bet you...even decoming a NUN can't save you from the viles of others or your ownself ..thankfully it is not possible in ISLAM...as RAH'BAANIAT is not allowed...

Well I studied in a catholoc school and I taught in one too...I had a fried (girl) ..and we both like a teacher who was a NUN...it I would ever have an opportunity to sculpt a staue of Mary ...I would keep her saltish features in my mind...and her sweet ans serene spirit..in my heart..
so we both had a passion to become NUNS...(lol sorry)
I think we both had some qualities which would have fitted perfectly into the described category...and YES..we wanted to do something to make world a better place..well all that happend was just the opposite...(lol sorry..I'm not in the humourous mood today...still...)

Anyways..our personalities are always effected by how we had lived lives...and it's something genuine that comes out when you are alone in your solitude...because it our real self..
like some people use very indecent words and pharases..which you can't bear reading...but that's how they had been living or having the experiences of life...so ...my dear..this world has flowers and shit...both..
This site without moderator..lol..have taught me the great lessons...that we have to live with it...we should have compession for both bad and good...because what really matters is TRUTh...and it remains...like diamonds it's rare...sadly whenever it is found ..it is not treated well..lol..

@ Silverglass

"I cannot in all good conscience condone the actions of those who perpetrated the 911 horrors by saying that they had no choice but were forced by political agendas. Muslims seem to think that the American political machine is being influenced by Zionists factions whose main interests are in bringing about an end to all that Muslims hold holy including taking away of their so called holy lands. Because of this they are being forced to perpetrate terrorists attacts throughout the world in order to self preserve themselves (self –defense). In other words muslim terrorists are not responsible for their actions because they have no choice in the matter. Does this sound right to you"

Yes I agree it does sound perfect...and I mean it..
I want to tell you that I sensed that I was not FIT or very well tolerated at a place/some places...and I was the one who refused to be like them..so what happened was that the whole authority started playing games and pranks..just to let me down ..every possible way they could..and it was like you can't live nor die...so I waited for what ever happen will happen...and that's how I surrender..when I can't do anything about nothing..lol..

So what do you suggest furthur in such situations!!!

...I mean a minority..especially which is also not reliable to each other..remember how Muslim lost their historical battles due to ghaddars/traitors...in them..or some who are very much under influence of the so-called modern tacts..without wisdom/statergy/moral...

Well I'm not writing to prove ...I'm right...you can't be ..when you are at left..but at least it counts that one will always be by the side..even if it is 'left'..when nothing else is left to do the right or to write the right..and right the wrongs...dingdong ..lol..

There're less muscles it takes to smile than to frown...!

Diamonds are about as rare as grains of sand...they have huge stock piles in Antwerp...they only tell us they are rare so they can charge huge amounts of money for them...buy emeralds..they're prettier anyway....

It only depends when you have some kind of business dealings in mind....I personally lol feel that good selfless... relations are without obligations and any kind of transactions, whether they are of friendships of individuals or friendships of countries...pre or post disasters...like one grand 911...to bring peace in the world..otherwise all individual or global efforts would likely go into trash...right away..lol and there is no need to stay anywhere...

I feel so contented after having been kicked out from the site (sites) ..I've mentioned in my earlier posts...and it was NOT possible to get rid of the mess...without the HELP , UNDERSTANDING, CO-OPERATION and IDEAS of my husband, daughter and even my son...once it started and got loose...
I don't regret what I/We have lost...I am grateful for what I/We have SAVED....

We all lived,loved and laughed every moment and everything everywhere..Alhamdulillah..and JazakAllahe Khairun!

I/We wish you success in your goals too with all our sincerity..Allahumma Ameen.

What is your definition of good selfless relations? And by the way how can you have a relationship that is good and selfless? It is a self defeating statement to say you have a good relationship and at the same time be selfless!

If you have lost then what have you saved?

To hell with tolerance, what matters is truth, and the truth is that if muslims are true believers in the quran and claim a tolerance for anything, they are LIARS!

@ Silverglass

Sorry I've been away for a while...it reminded me something from one of my friend's favourite song..'you can check out for sometimes but you can never leave...'..I mean that's how life goes on....and on.. of-course..

Your question is short, precise and deep and I feel it should be left un-answered because at least I couldn't figure out any answer for it...

The beginging of relationship in this world is the relationship of a mother and a child for ALL of us without exception..(well if you want to consider Adam and Eve to begin with...I would consider it ambiguous and full of confusion..that's the only reason that I do NOT understand why is it important to have a SPOUSE(/spouses) in heaven and will certainly apprecaite if you/someone care to answer for it..)

So I was talking about the very first FORM of relationship , we all know...Is it selfless? Is it genuine? really?
what a selfless relationship SHOULD mean when we all are dependent upon eachother, physically, spiritually, emotionally...etc etc..(apart from some very peculiar bilological terms, which might give some people food for thought as regard to their creative work, perheps...like parasitic, symbiotic..and many others...)

The other aspect I would like to address, is about saving and losing...well it is very personal again...a loss to one might be considered as a gain for others...and yes..there are either gains or losses..or both...in life in this world...we all have different angles/perpectives to visualize /evaluate..them..because both bring drastic changes in lives of the individuals..

As I said before, we have flowers and shi*..in the world and co-incidently both happen to 'smell'...while , unfortunately, we have the same olfactory device to 'feel' them....both..

Good Day!

How would muslims feel about us putting slaughter houses next to mosques so we can slaughter cows that they find so sacred but yet care nothing for human lives if you care so much about human life send your people out to stop those suicide bombers send your people out to catch bin laden do your part to stop this war that your people started not americans or canadians or british or french it was your people you came to this country when you got off the plane you should have looked up and seen the flag that was flying it means you are in our country if you don't like the rules or if you find it hard to abide by our laws then you can get back on the same plane and fly you and your stupid beliefs back to your lovely country that you loved so much that you just had to leave because your country was treating you so well and giving you all the advantages of the free country you are in now i wonder if living in a country where you can live on social assistance and make more in on month than you can in one year in your loving and respectful and peaceful country if your people are so peaceful and loving why don't you stop all these terroists yourselves report them to the FBI or CIA and then maybe we will beleive that you are the peaceful and god fearing people you are why is it that suicide bombers beleive if they blow them selve up when they get to heaven they will have 72 virgins what type of teachings are in your Quaran our bible does not say anything like that and if it did do you think we would beleive. if we did something like that we would get 72 virgins we know the difference there is probably not 72 virgins left anywhere in the world or in heaven for that matter and what type of teaching do your people get where do your people think they are going when they die do they think they are going to heaven or a whore house i pretty sure they are not going to get to screw their brains out in heaven they might get their brains screwed out in Hell were they are really going but i don't think they will be doing the screwing now is the time to stop all this foolishness and stop this war