1. Cost of travelling from delhi to beas will be more than the cost of CD/DVD of baba g pravachan. In a cost of travelling of whole family, cd palyer can be bought.

2. Provision of fooding and medical relief for poor, physical handicapped, animals and birds will be better than contribution to dera.

3. The travelling strain for reaching to dera or bhati mines and returning from it will erase some time even the whole advise given in satsang.

4. The listening and remembering power of human being vary and continous listening for just an hour can not be remember for long time by devotees.

5. Meaning to a name can not be assigned unless it is in existence at the time of origin of word. The word RADHA is a name of girl and no where is used for defining soul.

6. By skiping from family responsibilities , run for satsang and sewa to ensure non recurrence of your own janam.

7. Relying on everything written in RSSB books but not on other religious scriptures which was in existence before the start of RSSB and which our grand parents have reliance.

8. On one side stating that do not rely on Murti Puja and on other side hang the photo of baba g in home, shop etc.

No RSSB follower can deny any of the facts brought out in this above box. Nor any authority of RSSB is concerned with the welfare of their followers.

Not only the SATSANGIS are spreading wrong teachings of RSSB due to communication gaps, the speakers, at various SATSANG centers worldwide, are not lagging behind in causing lot of misgivings by interpreting teachings, of BABAJI, in their own way in absence of DVDs/CDS of BABAJI’s SATSANG.

In fact the concept of one live GURU in RSSB is getting defeated by forcing the RSSB devotees to listen to so many GURUS/speakers at such SATSANG centers. Even all SATSANG centers sell photos and DVDS of BANI with photos of all the five RSSB GURUS which are available in every SATSANGI’s house serving the purpose of MURTI PUJA for their kids even.

Peace is eluded in most of SATSANGIS families due to all above misgivings arising on account of various factors detailed above, which remain unheard under one pretext or the other by not establishing any PUBLIC RELATION WING to redress the complaints or sound proposals of any devotees or other intellectuals. Even BANI displayed through YOUTUBE also displays such photos of all GURUS confirming the wide spread concept of MURTI PUJA despite denial of such vital concept by all.

So who will and can attempt to remove these misgivings spreading at large scale?

LET US CONSIDER FOLLOWING VALUABLE QUOTES:-

1. SAMBANDHON KO NIBHAANE KE LIYE SAMAY NIKALIYE
VARNA JAB AAP KE PAAS SAMAY HOGA, TAB TAK SHAYAD SAMBANDH HE NAA RAHENGE
2. EK PATHHAR SIRF EK BAAR MANDIR MEIN JAATA HAI AUR BHAGWAAN BAN JAATA HAI
HUM INSAAN HAR ROZ MANDIR MEIN JAATE HAIN PHIR BHI PATHHAR HE RAHTE HAIN
3. VAAH PRABHU TERI LEELA!
BACHPAN MEIN LADTE THE MAA MERI HAI MAA MERI HAI
BADE HO KAR LADTE HAIN MAA TERI HAI MAA TERI HAI

PAR AISA KYON?
BACHPAN MEIN WE WERE ON RECIVING END
NOW PARENTS COULD BE ON RECEIVING END!

4. WORK FOR A CAUSE, NOT FOR APPLAUSE
LIVE LIFE TO EXPRESS, NOT TO IMPRESS
DON’T STRIVE TO MAKE YOUR PRESENCE NOTICED
JUST MAKE YOUR ABSENCE FELT

5. SMILING IS CHARITY

The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him)
said: "Charity is prescribed for each descendant
of Adam every day the sun rises." He was then
asked: "From what do we give charity every day?"
The Prophet answered: "The doors of goodness are
many...enjoining good, forbidding evil, removing
harm from the road, listening to the deaf, leading
the blind, guiding one to the object of his need,
hurrying with the strength of one's legs to one in
sorrow who is asking for help, and supporting the
feeble with the strength of one's arms--all of
these are charity prescribed for you." He also
said: "Your smile for your brother is charity."
-Fiqh-us-Sunnah, Volume 3, Number 98

1. Why does a satsangi need to travel to beas?? when Baba ji gives satsang at various major centers nearly all around india then there is no need to crowd up DERA @beas.
people come because they want to not because its necessary...and If u say Baba ji lives there and thats the reason for people to come then sorry seeing the list of satsang programme..one can make out that hes travelling round the clock to give satsangs.

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2. When people do not have deep knowledge of anything, then they tend to presume things because of what they see and easily grasp..If you have not done any detail finding about RSSB social works then please try to find out.

RSSB works towards society remaining anonymous because taking credit for social welfare isnt what RSSB is about...unlike majorly what organisations & people do after doing something for society...they Brag and publicize it to gain acknowledgment.

Without doing the HOMEWORK please do not make baseless allegations

IF NOT BOOKS .....THEN READ THIS : http://rssb.org ---> newspaper articles

These were not published by RSSB, but newspapers.

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3. People go for live darshan of Baba ji, some wont understand the value of it until they have faith in the existence of Guru.

If you cannot take out few hours for God/Guru from your life of this materialistic world then is it really worth being here on earth?

"bin mange moti mile, mange mile na bheek"....bina parishram ke Param-atma jaisi shakti ko pane ki iccha vyarth hai.

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4. Please talk about yourself and do not talk on behalf of others...parmarth apne mann aur vishwas ko pakka karne ke liye hai, na ki duniye ka bhala/bura sochne ke liye...duniya mein bohot se kaam hai jo apni marji kr skte ho social welfare ke naam pe...
GOD ko uski soul ko kaise apne pass bulana hai vo apse acha janta hai...iski chinta karte rahe to ek din khali haath wapis jaoge.

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5. Thanks for your our own philosophy.... I truely understand about your intentions now. Your queries resemble STEREOTYPE nature to me.... cause jiss cheez ka koi matlab nahi usmein bhi meen mekh nikalne ki shayad apko adat hai.

Radha is dharti pe ladki ka naam hai....insaan ko uski bhasha mein hi samjhaya jayega ya reference diya jayega, na ki koi aur bhasha se...RADHA sirf ek naam ko resemble kara gaya hai SOUL se.

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6. Satsang ke bare mein galat dharna liye chale ja rhe ho abhi tak? who said satsang/seva is for ensuring non recurrence of oneself?

'Prarabhd' karmo ko saaf krne ke liye hoti h seva.....jo responsibilities se bhagega to uske karam uske saath...

Duniya jiyegi aur agey badhegi....aap kahan ke rahoge? Hame apna kal nahi pata..shayad agle minute maut a jayegi....kise pata? apna parmarth sudharo.

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7. You differ about the time and existence but dont rely on the content of it...thats the orthodox talking I mentioned before...Guru granth sahib aur baki santo ki bani se hi satsang hota hai...kyuki duniya uhne accept kr chuki hai..ki vo sache the...Real meaning samjhaya jata hai.

YE rudhivaad aur reet chali ayi hai...pucho duniya se ye granth aur scriptures padhke kya kisiko aaj tak bhagwan/param-atma mila hai? ye is duniya ke reeti-riwaj hi reh jayenge....chalte rahenge peedi dar peedi....

scriptures/granth mein jo likha hai uska asli matlab nahi jante, NAAM ko jhutlate hain...par kisiki bhi likhi hui scriptures ko bhagwan ki den maan lete hain....ye sab moh maya arthat KAAL ka jaal hai...jo insaan ko iss duniyavi jailkhane se nikalne nahi deta

aur jab apne RSSB ki books nahi padhi to ye baseless points mat uthaiye...andha vishwas aur soch vichar krke vishwas karne mein bohot antar hai.

insaani janam naam ki kamai ke liye anmol hai iske siwa..param-atma tak jane ka aur koi zariya nahi hai...devi devta bhi insaani chole ko taraste hain...aap mano chahe na mano...

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8. you contradict yourself here...if you say "The listening and remembering power of human being vary and continous listening for just an hour can not be remember for long time by devotees"

then how can one remember a Face of Guru when he is not in reach? the ones who pray or perform Murti Puja are not following the instruction of their guru...they'll suffer ....why do you bother?

This is the sole reason for present guru ji's SINGLE PHOTO since 1990..

Baba JI/ RSSB do not say or tell anyone to do the practice of Idolism.......even the photos or frames which get rotten or bad in the course of time are BURNT OR DESTROYED in RSSB.....because photos and other things are of this world and materialistic


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You did not try to grasp what I said In earlier discussion but came up with more useless questions which really dont help you in any manner other than caring about worldy matters of no use...these are not queries about knowing RSSB but questioning their existence even when the RSSB satsangis have not asked or came up with any problems to you, for your help.

And thats the major reason for not finding any RSSB or BABA ji own comment or statements anywhere..

WE have a simply website from which if someone can understand then welcome...if not then its their destiny or luck.

A. The attitude of Mr. Resonable does need to be reviewed to reveal reasons for BABAJI’s visit to HARMANDIR SAHIB, AMRITSAR recently on 26th September, 2012 to bow his head before GURU GRANTH SAHIB.

B. In reply to Q-3, following observations have been made, which are quite objectionable to reveal the type of one’s attitude:-
“3. People go for live darshan of Baba ji, some wont understand the value of it until they have faith in the existence of Guru.
If you cannot take out few hours for God/Guru from your life of this materialistic world then is it really worth being here on earth?”

So it is quite clear that one does not have any right to live on this earth even if one cannot see GOD in GURU/BABAJI, who himself is a SIKH and bows his head before GURU GRANT SAHIB and neither is GOD nor ever claims to be GOD.And above all what about other Sikhs or humans on this earth who may not even recognise BABAJI in any capacity other than a human being?

C. Last two lines are quite disturbing again,
“WE (Not RSSB)have a simply website from which if someone can understand then welcome...if not then its their destiny or luck.” So Mr. Reonable (We) claims to be some big authority of RSSB who has himself contradicted not only the concept of MURTI PUJA but every claim is quite contradictory within itself which needs no comments when he has issued his judgment to the extent of one’s not being worth living on his earth even.Rather one's distiny/luck is claimed to be effected by not adehering to Mr. Resonable's advice.If one's destiny is to be written or re-written by GURU/GOD, then KARMA PHILOSOPHY fails altogether, which may not get accepted by any human being.But in that case all the fears caused. by all Religious Pundits/GURUS. through KARMA philosophy would vanish at the cost of their existence even.

D. Lot of thanks for displaying his sober and cool ideas of being a true SATSANGI once again!

A. Baba Ji has always used bani's and knowledge of earlier saints to explain the real fact about life..the Lineage of 10 guru's, Head by Guru Nanak Sahib Ji was a true form of service to the GOD, Baba Ji bowed to GURU GRANTH SAHIB due to respect that RSSB and its earlier Guru's have paid always but this point depicts Superiority. Which I think has no place in parmarth/path to GOD

I suppose if you know this happened with the date, then you should also know that when Baba Ji visited HARMANDIR SAHIB then the Security system installed at that place,worth In crores...FAILED to capture his presence...not a single Photo was captured by security camera but only people with him came in surveillance, temple's management was unaware of his presence there

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B. I did not mentioned particularly towards Baba ji but Guru or GOD...people go to temples, keep fasts, go places to visit temples...then for satsangis if they happen to reach the centers, then why should anyone have problem with it?

Dont put words into my mouth....Read again "If you cannot take out few hours for God/Guru from your life of this materialistic world then is it really worth being here on earth?”
I did not mention baba ji here but GOD and Guru IN GENERAL TERMS.

Please care about meeting GOD yourself,through any means... whether it be Guru or Praying according to Guru Granth Sahib ji , but not for others...as you might know after this life...no one will remain your relatives or friends. You are bound to them, till you are in this human form and on earth.

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C. Again you are manipulating my words...I never said I hold any authority or part of RSSB management....I said WE as in RSSB, I am a part of it because I have Faith in it.I'll again say it'll be unworthy if you dont Pray to GOD in any form...Guru or no Guru.
There are things which even I am not aware of or the philosophy of KARMA cannot be understood by us..the mere humans, but we have the Discretion power towards judging the best for us.
IF you do not believe in Karma philosophy then I must ask you to tell me the reason for problem in your life...the happiness you face in life...without reason nothing happens

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D. You have read my earlier post and would know that I have maintained this attitude towards people have issues while not trying to even understand through the suggested medium but raise questions here....They have the freedom but even I have the freedom to express the answers in any form...

These can seem harsh but they are the reality for me. I hope GOD helps you in this matter.

Alas....atleast you know that satsangis are sober and cool in nature...even I am but intolerant towards such baseless issues.

If i hang pictures of my loved ones like grandfather, mother or say my maths teacher on wall, does that mean i am doing murti puja ?

OH VOW! Mr. Resonable also knows that BABAJI could even breach all security arrangements of any type!
But he might also have read in the news papers that BABAJI entered in the Golden Temple with his personal security guards and he also can afford travelling in his personal jet plane.

One should also know that 13% of earth population claims to be atheists including Shahid Bhagat Singh. Does Mr. Resonable means that they all did not have any rights to live on this earth? One also should know that RSSB followers worldwide might be comprising of hardly 0.1% of the total population against Sikh population of 1% in the world.But atheists like Bhagat Singh felt and enjoyed proud of serving mankind more than believing in GOD! Bhagat Singh's document, " Main Naastik Kyon Hoon? or Why am I Atheist?" is available on website, which definitely brings tears in eyes on reading the said document written by him while in jail awaiting known punishment for him to "Hang him till death"

Lot of thanks again for clarifying some points in the manner convenient to Mr. Resonable by displaying the extent of tolerance as also cool and sober mind being a SATSANGI! But one must try to avoid use of pronouns like, “ I, We or You” in any discussion forum as far as possible to upkeep one’s coolness and soberness.

But what if such photos are displayed while downloading BANI and not SATSANG of any GURU?

Then let it also be clarified by STARSPEED also as to what could be termed as MURTI PUJA if one asks his kids or family or bows his own head also in front of any photo? This question is relevant because BABAJI himself advices not to do so. Photos of some earlier RSSB GURUS were not even made available during their life time and thereafter for a very long time due to this reason alone.

RSSB releases only Audio CDs which don't even have photo encoded in them. Some modern pirates buy these audio CDs and use their computer, a recording and video editing software to re-encode them to make them look professional CDs. These are then sold at non-rs outlets which are then bought by another people and then these people upload these re-encoded CDs on social networking websites like facebook, twitter, youtube etc.

Just because someone bows before a person doesn't imply that it's murti puja. It could be a sign of respect. I bow before my elder ones and my teachers, this doesn't mean i worship them. It's just a sign of respect from me to them. If other people don't know my inner intentions and they see me bowing towards a person, then they could very well attribute this act to murti puja.

Hahaha you and your ways to take things or I shall call STEREOTYPE? :O

even if you know about this incident even then you will not mention...

the way you know about Baba ji visiting the temple is the way I know about security system getting Failed in his presence. Pls go seek if its true or not....Partial knowledge is harmful.


I never said Atheists have no right to live in this world...LOL I am shocked at the way you take things...being atheists is one's choice but I see you are a Sikh and believe in The Existence of GOD in form of Guru Granth Sahib.

and thats the REASON you are here to discuss these matters.

" One also should know that RSSB followers worldwide might be comprising of hardly 0.1% of the total population against Sikh population of 1% in the world"

Does this statement include SUPERIORITY or the way a child has been bought up in the family to pray and bow to guru granth sahib only?? In RSSB the child is shown path to Guru but not forced upon to follow it.....he grows and then decides if he can follow RSSB or not and then Applies for INITIATION unlike other Religion its a philosophical society which gives freedom and dosnt impose upon their teachings.


Yes I can agree to a valid point of yours but my intentions were not to have superiority by saying I, WE or YOU, but I am discussing something which presumably requires no quotations but direct One on One replies.

A Muslim or a Sikh living in USA does appreciate this discussion continuing even throughout night by taking it to be 3-40 p.m.(IST) by now.

Anyhow, declaring one a true Sikh does not have any relevance in this discussion even if it may be quite wrong or a correct assumption. But claiming BABAJI's powers, to have breached all types of security arrangements, remains on the top of this discussion as a whole by taking it to be some individual's claim in isolation only.If really BABAJI succeeded to make all security arrangements to have failed during his visit to HARMANDIR SAHIB on 26th September, 2012, he can be taken as the Scientist of --------- instead of Scientist of Science of the Soul.

Its 2 am and yes I am an Insomniac -_-


I am not declaring but
"Is there any book compiled or written by present live RSSB GURU BABA GURINDER SINGH DHILON JI? If not, then basic RSSB philosophy about need of a live guru gets defeated and one could continue to take GURU GRANTH SAHIB as bible of all SIKHS, including all RSSB GURUS who also blonged to SIKH Relegion only, more so when BABAJI also bowed his head before GURU GRANTH SAHIB recently on 26th September, 2012."

makes it clear that you have Obedience towards Sikhism...

I have my reliable source of this knowledge

but tell me....if the Images of Baba ji were captured in the temple then Sikh community would not have taken a chance to NOT publish them publicly showing the proof or Claiming the superiority of Guru Granth Sahib...

They would have made every effort to Bring him in Picture and reveal to Sikh society claiming and making allegations against him and his way of living.


You'll not understand what RSSB's Present Guru is all about...until you experience it while having faith...which cannot develop without Leaving behind all stereotype and orthodox way of living..

I am in no way asking you to follow RSSB or Baba JI or giving judgement but putting my view, which has been experienced and lived by many but accounted by non because Parmarth is a path of improving one self's and telling the incidents and experience will be taken as CHAMATKAR/MIRACLES, which is not what the True Guru's are here for.

I am not coming with something new or making my assumptions....reading some books will help those who truely seek without assumptions and hatred.

O.K. While accepting one’s claim that BABAJI’s images could not be captured in the Golden Temple during his visit there to bow his head before GURU GRANTH SAHIB so as not to leave any chance for any publicity or proof for his such visit, then why BABA ji wanted to keep this visit as secret, which ultimately got noticed and was published in various News papers?

Similarly subsequently RSS chief also visited RSSB DERA and had a closed door meeting with BABAJI for one hour. Was this also a secret mission or diplomacy of any kind?

How such developments could, still, be claimed to be secret when were published in various NEWS papers immediately and were in public domain, more so when press also reported that personal security guards accompanied BABAJI during his visit to GOLDEN TEMPLE?

Yes, all these developments got noticed after happening since were not disclosed by RSSB prior to their happening to keep secret from none else than from RSSB followers so as to avoid its misgivings or criticism before BABAJI could do these acts as per his plan/wishes. Had these developments been disclosed earlier it would have been difficult for BABAJI to go ahead with his schedule.

RSSB has never been and should not be afraid of Sikh community unless one attempts to hurt feelings of any Religion as happened in Punjab due to demolishing of some GURUDWARA during that period, which was followed by BABAJI's meeting with RSS chief for a purpose non else than appeasement of HINDUS in Punjab.


In fact, RSSB has never ever showed any inclination towards such politics and these developments did and could have caused some sort of misgivings among RSSB followers as also among others. It is also felt that this discussion has taken several uncalled for turns, which need no further comments or clarifications since to avoid hurting any religious feelings.