As I was reading and studying the popular verse that is used to prove that Muhammad (PBUH) was the last and final Prophet and Messenger of Allah, I found something in that verse that leads me to believe that such a belief is wrong. Here's what the verse actually reads:

The Qur‘ān is the Only Valid Hadiyth
33:40 Muḥammad ﴿صلى الله عليه و سلم﴾ is not a father of anyone among your men, but a Messenger of Allāh (‎سبحانه وتعالى) and an imprint of the Prophets. Allāh (‎سبحانه وتعالى) is knowledgeable of all things. (*)

مَّا كَانَ مُحَمَّدٌ أَبَآ أَحَدٍ۬ مِّن رِّجَالِكُمۡ وَلَـٰكِن رَّسُولَ ٱللَّهِ وَخَاتَمَ ٱلنَّبِيِّـۧنَۗ وَكَانَ ٱللَّهُ بِكُلِّ شَىۡءٍ عَلِيمً۬ا (٤٠)

40. Mā kāna Muḥammad ﴿صلى الله عليه و سلم﴾un abā aḥadin min rijāli-kum wa lākin rasūla (A)llāhi wa xātama n-nabiyyīna wa kāna (A)llāhu bi-kulli şay’in ‘alīmān

Verse 40 has been quite controversial in my life since I embraced Islam because of the many possibilities behind the meaning of “seal of the prophets,” so as a result, let’s compare the Arabic with other translations and see what I come up with.

Muhammad the Final Prophet

40.1 Edip Yuksel: Muhammad was not the father of any man among you, but he was the messenger of God and the seal of the prophets. God is fully aware of all things.

40.2 Muhammad Asad: [And know, O believers, that] Muhammad is not the father of any one of your men, but is God’s Apostle and the Seal of all Prophets. And God has indeed full knowledge of everything.

Asad adds ﻠکﻠ “all” to خاتم which is not in the Qur‘ān at all in this verse. If this were the case, then the commonly accepted belief among Muslims would still be incorrect; however, the majority of Muslims are in error, just as the Qur‘ān says they would be.

40.3 Yusufali: Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allāh, and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allāh has full knowledge of all things.

40.4 Pickthal Muhammad is not the father of any man among you, but he is the messenger of Allāh and the Seal of the Prophets; and Allāh is ever Aware of all things.

40.5 Shakir Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but he is the Messenger of Allāh and the Last of the prophets; and Allāh is cognizant of all things.

This verse is very straight forward. It does not say that he is نهاية nahāyhah (finish, last part, limit, edge, end, the end, the last) nor آخر āxara (not the same, limit, edge, end, to be at the back, the other one), but it says that Muḥammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم) is the خاتم xātama of the spectrum of prophets. In other words, Muḥammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم) is the imprint of the prophets, but not the final prophet, as Dr. Khalifa’s interpretation of خاتم xātama reads.

Xātama comes from √xtm which means to seal, stamp, imprint on, impress upon something. In this verse, Muḥammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم) is the seal (as an imprinted logo representative of something like a government agency, organization, or business) of the prophets. In other words, he is a distinguishing mark of all Prophets of Allāh (‎سبحانه وتعالى). He is the stamp of the prophets in that what he represents is represented by all Prophets of Allāh (‎سبحانه وتعالى). The imprint that you find on all Prophets of Allāh (‎سبحانه وتعالى) is found on him. Everything about Muḥammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم) that is imprinted upon his character, his mission, and all that he represents, is found in all Prophets of Allāh (‎سبحانه وتعالى). No matter how you read or interpret the word xātama, according to its true meaning at least, it claims no finality to Muhammad being the last prophet that will ever come.

He was the last in the chain of prophets at that time in which he came and eventually left us, but not necessarily the end of all prophets to ever come. There is nothing that inclines one to appropriately assume that there are no more law-giving Prophets or Messengers to come with Scriptures in the future. That leaves me to believe that Allāh (‎سبحانه وتعالى) may indeed send more law-giving Prophets like Muḥammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم) bearing the mark (distinguishing seal) of a Prophet after Muḥammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم) as well as more Scriptures by these forthcoming Prophets of Allāh (‎سبحانه وتعالى). The fact that Muḥammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم) was the last of prophets of that dispensation does not mean that he finished the occurrence of all prophets all together nor that he ended a cycle of prophets for Bahá’u’lláh to begin a new cycle as the Bahá’ís teach; he was the imprint of the occurrence of prophets, which implies, in my humble opinion, that there will be more law giving prophets to come after Muḥammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم). No disrespect to Bahá’ís and Ahmadiyyans, but even they got it wrong. Even Al-Tahawi got it wrong in his Tahawi's Statement Of Islamic Doctrine (Al-`Aqida Al-Tahawiyya), where he writes:

31. Every claim to prophethood after Him is falsehood and deceit.

The Qur‘ān does not state that at all, so before we continue to the next idea, we need to understand what a seal is. In the olden days, long before my time, it was a common practice, especially among people of royalty, to take wax and drip melted wax on the middle of the edge of the flap of a letter ready to be sealed and then place an impression (seal) with the sender’s trademark or seal on the melted wax so that, when it dried up, the recipient knew from the seal whom it came from. It had the seal or stamp of the recipient. Likewise, Muḥammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم) was indeed the seal of or had the trademarks of the خاتم xātama of all of the prophets of Allāh (‎سبحانه وتعالى). In this context, that is exactly what is very clearly meant.

Now we get into another subject related to this same verse, taken from Tahawi's Statement Of Islamic Doctrine (Al-`Aqida Al-Tahawiyya) again:

30. And that he is the Seal of the Prophets and the Imam of the god-fearing and the most honored of all the messengers and the Beloved of the Lord of all the worlds.

As Muslims we are called to honor all prophets equally, not one above the other. Al-Tahawi, as we see in the above quote and like many millions of other Muslims, places Muḥammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم) up there as if he is a member of a Godhead with Allāh (‎سبحانه وتعالى) or something. That is simply not Islam as prescribed by 2:136, No Distinction Among The Prophets. In fact, this doctrine that honors Muḥammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم) above all Messengers is forbidden by Allāh (‎سبحانه وتعالى), but due to al-Tahawi’s great accomplishments in life he is recognized as a greater authority on Islam than the Qur‘ān by far too many well-meaning Muslims. It is a real affront to Allāh (‎سبحانه وتعالى), as far as anyone who believes in the Qur’ān as much as I do is concerned, to turn Muḥammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم) into an object of worship.

The question then is: With this being what that verse says, how can so many Muslims be led so far astray? Or am I missing something? One thing for sure is the fact that this verse is not proof that Muḥammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم) is the last and final Prophet of God to come to mankind.

Nono

AOA NONO

Some time what happens is that we the human beings are confused on v simple things . I think that this the matter with u :)

let me explain till the extent of my knowledge

Our beloved Prophet(s.aw.w) had 4 daughters and 3 sons and none of his son could survive.
After his migration to madina he adopted Zaid Bin Harsa as his son
there was and still is a tradition that any thing that is possessed by father is transfered to his son after his death
So when Holy prophet adopted a son this Ayya was revealed that

"Muhammad was not the father of any man among you, but he was the messenger of God and the seal of the prophets. God is fully aware of all things. "

meaning that though Zaid Bin Harsa is said to be his adopted son but the prophecy will not be claimed by any one after his death

And to explain that this aya is not revealed in the proof that MUhammad(s.a.w.w) is the last prophet
This infact explains the rules of adoption

Response to: "Some time what happens..."

Granted, the history may be correct, but the interpretation of the verse as you provide is not validated. Although there is "tradition," the verse does not counter that The Prophet is the Last and Final Prophet. Muhammad is not the traditional nor the biological son of Jesus, Moses, or any other Prophet of Allah, which invalidates your reasoning. Maybe I missed a point, or maybe you forgot to validate your point? Please advise.

Granted, the rules of adoption you speak of are also not validated by this verse either, although the history may be correct.

Nono

I agree to what Uzmeed has pointed in connection to ..under what circumstances the Ayat 33:40 was revealed...

The CONCEPT of "Father-ship" and "Son-ship" had already caused enough damage to the human percetions ...through Christianity..

Obviously Allah is wiser than we can concieve...Is he not? So the mis-understanding of ZAID being the VIRTAUL SON OF THE PROPHET (while he was adopted, yet NOT given rights of a natural son)...might had been a source of great dilemma..
even more than "the sacred pentagon"...i mean "punj tun paak"....which is the Daughter of the Prophte+ the Son- in law+ the two grandsons including The Prophet (S) right!

.......

Now in 5:3...

"Today, I have completed your religion, perfected My blessing upon you, and I have decreed Submission( Islam) as the religion for you."

Allah tells us that the message has been PERFECTED ...and COMPLETED....and ISLAM has been "chosen' as a PERFECT AND COMPLETED RELIGION ....the "same Islam: which was enjoined upon all the previous Prophets of Allah...(you already know all the references)..

......

The concept of not distinguishing/discriminating amongst the prophets...is for the sake of belief and respect from the followers...for the sake of JUSTICE...it DOES NOT APPLY TO ALLAH HIMSELF...Neither would it be called INJUSTICE from the side of Almighty...because He is the Creator ...He is the Final Authority...Only He can rank the Prophets...NOT US...

....

I agree to what Nono said about the SEAL...absolutely justified...which is clear in the following Ayat..

4:69 Those who obey GOD and the messenger belong with those blessed by GOD - the prophets, the saints, the martyrs, and the righteous. These are the best company.

Doesn't it says it all?

The follower needs to follow "Allah and His Messenger to be with Prophets, Saints, Martyrs and the Righteous"...

The one in the company of the Righteous has to Righteous...other wise it would just be a bad joke...with no sense at all...

The same applies to all the rest of the above mentioned....

BUT...

Please remember...that no one can CLAIM ...

I'm Righteoaus
I'm Saint
I'm Martyr ( The dead can't speak)
OR
I'm PROPHET

..


People who CLAIM PROPHETHOOD ( OR GOD-SHIP) of ANY SORT... definitely will make a new SECT...and the followeres of any particular sect will be obliged to follow the NEW PROPHET ...in order to FOLLOW ALLAH AND THE MESSENGER....

Is it RIGHT...after the FINAL MESSAGE ...to completely enslose your opinions and beliefs ...inside the sectarian Utopia.....**

** While the ISLAM IS FREEDOM....?


(edited)

Finality of the Prophethood

The following article is a response to an individual questioning whether or
not the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH&HF) is indeed the Final Messenger sent by
Allah (SWT) to mankind. He cited some verses from the Quran, and questioned
if they do in fact refer to a Prophet and/or Messenger AFTER the Prophet
Muhammad (PBUH&HF).

In response to the following verses, I render MY OWN, RELATIVE
understanding of the verses. I am NOT a scholar in Islam, and VERY FEW
people are; as such, I take full responsibility for what I say here, and I
emphasize that MY ANSWER is NOT to be TAKEN as EXHAUSTIVE, DEFINITIVE, OR
ABSOLUTE.

I was NOT able to access books of Tafsir (Quranic Commentaries) to
ascertain some meanings, but my assurance to you is that there is NO
MESSENGER after the FINAL MESSENGER, Muhammad (PBUH & His Family), as WILL
be demonstrated, Allah (SWT) Willing. Again, I restate that the following
is MY OWN UNDERSTANDING. It should NOT be taken as a perfect
representation of the Islamic belief and/or Shi'i ideology.

> Here are some of the perplexing verses:
>
> 33. O children of Adam! there shall come to you Apostles from among >
> yourselves, rehearsing my signs to you; and whoso shall fear God and do
> good works, no fear shall be upon them, neither shall they be put to
> grief. (The Heights (al-Araf)

The verse you quote is numbered incorrectly; the correct number is [7:35].

The verse does NOT suggest another Messenger at all. The way I
understand it is that Allah (SWT) is making a statement about the
Messengers which He (SWT) sends to His (SWT) creation. As such, the
warning to the people is that if a Messenger, like Moses, Jesus, or
Muhammad (PBUH&HF), among others, should emerge from amongst you, then
follow him. For those who follow him, they shall not grieve, but those that
don't, shall indeed suffer. The verse is really saying that throughout the
ages, there shall come Messengers sent by Allah (SWT) as a Mercy to His
(SWT) creation; whosoever follows these Messengers and abides by the
message which they (the Messengers) bring, shall grieve not, nor fear
nothing.

Let me elaborate some more. In Arabic, ONE WORD can have MANY, MANY
meanings that sometimes SEEM totally conflicting. As such, ANY translation
of the Quran is NOT acceptable as the platform whence an argument
concerning a verse is to be launched. We MUST return to the Arabic
original. I will surrender to your postulate that Prima Facie
(superficially) the verse does suggest that a Messenger shall emerge, but
deep in the inner meaning of the verse, it is NOT so. If we MOMENTARILY
disregard the LITERAL RELIGIOUS meaning of Rasool, we can forward the
statement that if a friend of yours is a believing individual, and he
approaches you in a sincere fashion advising you to do righteous deeds and
to avoid wicked acts, then that friend of yours is a Rasool. Moreover, keep
in mind that in Arabic, ANY individual sent with a message to someone else
is also called a RASOOL (Messenger). Here is how the American Heritage
Dictionary defines "Messenger:"

meszsenzger n. 1. One that carries messages or performs errands, as:
a. A person employed to carry telegrams, letters, or parcels. b. A
military or official courier. c. An envoy to another person, party, or
government. 2. A bearer of news. 3. A forerunner; a harbinger. 4. A
prophet. 5. Nautical. A chain or rope used for hauling in a cable. In
this sense, also called messenger line. -- meszsenzger tr.v.
meszsenzgered, meszsenzgerzing, meszsenzgers. To send by messenger.

Given the above definition, we can contend that any "carrier" from a king
to another king is also called a Messenger or a Rasool (in Arabic). This,
I believe, clarifies the verse for you. Let us examine some other verses:

"Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the
Messenger of Allah, and the SEAL OF THE PROPHETS: And Allah has full
knowledge of all things. [33:40]"

It is clear from the above verse that Muhammad (PBUH&HF) is the SEAL of the
Prophets. Notice that if we abide by the meaning of a Prophet (Nabi), and
understand that a Nabi's status is lower than that of a Rasool
(Messenger), we can discern that Muhammad (PBUH&HF), by virtue of the what
the verse states, is the Seal of both the Prophets and the Messengers. By
stating that he (PBUH&HF) is the Seal of the Prophets, Allah (SWT) has made
it evident that NOT even a Prophet (Nabi) will come after Muhammad
(PBUH&HF). That is, if Allah (SWT) had said that Muhammad was the Seal of
*Messengers*, He (SWT) would leave the door open for people to say that
Muhammad (PBUH&HF) is NOT the seal of the prophets then -- because a
Prophet is a step below a Messenger. But by stating that he (Muhammad)
(PBUH&HF) is the seal from the bottom up, Allah (SWT) has clarified the
point that NOBODY will come after Muhammad (PBUH&HF).

"We have not sent thee but as a (Messenger) to ALL MANKIND, giving
them glad tidings, and warning them (against sin), but most men know
not. [34:28]"

Again, we may forward the contention by Allah (SWT) that Muhammad was sent
as a Messenger to ALL MANKIND. Why then would Allah (SWT) send anyone
after him (PBUH&HF) as a new Messenger?

"For me, I have been commanded to serve the Lord of this City, Him Who
has sanctified it and to Whom (belong) all things: And I am commanded
to be of those who bow in Islam to Allah's Will, -- and to rehearse
the Quran: And if any accept guidance, they do it for the good of
their souls, and if any stray, say: I am only a Warner. [27:91]"

Again, listen to what the above verse concludes with: "And if any accept
guidance, they do it for the good of their souls, and if any stray, say: I
am only a Warner. [27:91]" This is in conformity with my statement at the
beginning of this article: You are AT LIBERTY to accept or to reject faith
and guidance; however, you may reject it at the expense of injury to your
soul, or you may accept it and reap its benefits.

"It is He who has sent His Messenger with Guidance and the Religion of
Truth. That HE MAKE IT PREVAIL OVER ALL RELIGION, even though the
pagans may detest (it). [61:9]"

The clear assertion by Allah (SWT), in the above verse, that He (SWT)
"...make it prevail over all religion..." indicates that this is the FINAL
and complete religion. This is also in conformity with the statement that
Islam is the Truth without form, it is THE primordial religion of mankind,
which will NEVER change:

"So set thou thy face truly to the religion being upright, the NATURE
in which Allah has made mankind: NO CHANGE (there is) in the work
(wrought) by Allah: that is the TRUE RELIGION: But most among mankind
know not. [30:30]"

"...For Allah hath indeed sent down to you a Message,-- A Messenger,
who rehearses to you the Signs of Allah containing clear explanations,
that he may lead forth those who believe and do righteous deeds from
the depths of Darkness into Light. [65:11]"

The above verse, although not directly related to the topic of a final
messenger, it, nonetheless, outlines the mission of the Prophet Muhammad
(PBUH&HF); and asserts that he (PBUH&HF) is a guide sent to "...lead forth
those who believe and do righteous deeds from the depths of Darkness into
Light."


> Perhaps ALL REVELATIONS have a fixed time, we read:
> 32. Every nation hath its set time. And when their time is come, they >
> shall not retard it an hour; and they shall not advance it. (The Heights
> (al-Araf))

Again, the correct number for the verse is [7:34], not 32. (Which
translation are you using?)

I don't know how you interpreted the above verse to allude to a Fixed
Revelation. Unless your claim is that a revelation is valid only for a
limited time, AND that there are NO timeless truths, I fail to see your
point. Moreover, if we assume that a revelation is indeed fixed, then it
must be that we are now waiting for a New Revelation to come. Obviously,
that would DIRECTLY and UNDOUBTEDLY contradict the Islamic Belief System.
Now, let's the examine the verse in detail:

"To every people is a term appointed: when their term is reached, not
an hour can they cause delay, nor (an hour) can they advance (it in
anticipation). [7:34]"

The verse is dealing with the dimension of time that engulfs every nation
or generation. In that frame of time, they are supposed to achieve
whatever good they can; if they do so, they shall not grieve, otherwise
they shall suffer the consequences. For example, you as a person, will
exist only for a FIXED TIME on this Earth, then you shall perish. In that
time, if you strive to perform good deeds, then you have nothing to worry
about in the hereafter; otherwise you shall account for your actions. Now,
your existence on Earth is FIXED: you came into being at a certain time
(which you had NO choice in), and you will leave at a certain time; there
is nothing you can do to change that. If you add suicide to the formula,
the meaning of the verse would change to: when the necessary conditions for
death are gathered, then no delay or advancement can there be. That is, if
the NECESSARY CONDITIONS or factors that cause death have been met, then
the individual who is trying to commit suicide will SURELY die, there is
NOTHING he can do after those conditions have been met, nor can he change
his mind and return to life. Again, keep in mind that Time moves ONLY in
ONE direction.

Another explanation is that offered by Abdullah Yusuf Ali in his
translation of the Quran:

"I do not know whether "generation" would not be more appropriate
here. If so, it would refer to the Time-Spirit, for it affects a whole
number of people living contemporaneously, and while we deal
grammatically with a group, we really have in mind the individual's
composing the group. Anyway, the lesson is what is suggested in the
following verses. There is only a limited time for an individual or
for a group of people. If they do not make good during that time of
probation, the chance is lost, and it cannot come again. We cannot
retard or advance the march of time by a single hour or minute.
("Hour" in the text expresses an indefinite but short period of
time.)"

> To each age its Book. (The Thunder (al-Rad))

The above verse is misquoted, here's the exact verse:

"We did send messengers before thee, and appointed for them wives and
children: And it was never the part of a messenger to bring a Sign
except as Allah permitted (or commanded). For each period is an
APPOINTMENT. [13:38]"

Now, the verse in Arabic does indeed mention "Kitab -- Book," but the
translation of MEANING is NOT a literal BOOK. Remember that I said a word
in Arabic may have MANY meanings; as such, one of the meanings of the word
Kitab means the collection and gathering of conditions to cause or form
something. For example "Kitab-al-Mowt --- The Book of Death" means the
collection and gathering of all the conditions and factors that cause
death. Just like a normal book is a collection of ideas, so is this
symbolic book, referred to above, a collection of conditions that cause an
event to occur. As such, we find that the word APPOINTMENT is a better
word for the TRANSLATION OF MEANING.

> 45. Neither too soon, nor too late, shall a people reach
> its appointed time - (The Believers (al-Muminun))

The correct verse is:

"No people can hasten their term, nor can they delay (it.) [23:43]"

The verse has the exact meaning as the verse:

"To every people is a term appointed: when their term is reached, not
an hour can they cause delay, nor (an hour) can they advance (it in
anticipation). [7:34]"

I have already explained that verse above -- please consult that
aforementioned part for elaboration.


> "And to you there came Joseph in times gone by, with Clear Signs, but ye
> ceased not to doubt of the (mission) for which he had come: at length,
> when he died, ye said: `No apostle will God send after him.' Thus doth
> God leave to stray such as transgress and live in doubt (Quran Surah
> 40:34)

If you are trying to state that people are mislead in believing that there
are NO more Messengers and/or Prophets after Muhammad (PBUH&HF), then I
ASSURE you that you are wrong. The verse is talking about the FIXED Time-
Frame of Joseph's (AS) existence and what was to come immediately after
him. It is NOT that Allah (SWT) has told the people of Joseph (AS) that NO
Messenger will come after Joseph (AS) and then changed His (SWT) mind, and
sent a Messenger!

In the case of Islam and Muhammad (PBUH&HF), we are CLEARLY told that NO
MORE MESSENGERS will be sent by He (SWT) Who created the Universe and
Sustains it. There is a clear distinction here: the people of Joseph (AS)
said that there will not come a prophet or messenger after Joseph (AS),
whereas Allah (SWT) NEVER said such a thing! It was the concoction of the
people to say that Allah (SWT) will NOT send another messenger. Now, in
the case of Muhammad (PBUH&HF), the people have been NOTIFIED by Allah
(SWT) that there shall come NO Messenger after Muhammad (PBUH&HF). Therein
lies the distinction in this verse.

Another point worthy of mentioning is that: why do we wait until the
Messenger dies to rethink our existence and actions? Why does remorse
begin AFTER a Messenger's death? Why can't we follow that Messenger when he
was alive? The lesson clearly stated here is that we shouldn't wait until
the milk is spilled and then weep and cry over it, we should prevent the
milk from being spilled in the first place (if you know what I mean!?).

Again, the verse alludes to Allah's (SWT) Mercy in that even if a Messenger
dies, Allah (SWT) is still merciful enough to send another one. However,
in the case of Muhammad (PBUH&HF), the WARNING is LOUD and CLEAR that
Muhammad (PBUH&HF) is the FINAL Mercy to mankind from Allah (SWT).

> Ah! alas for (My) servants! There comes not an apostle to them but they
> mock Him! (Quran Surah 36:30)

What do you intend by quoting this verse? The meaning is abundantly clear,
unless your intention is that there has come to us an apostle after
Muhammad (PBUH&HF) and we mocked him!!! Now, I question if you really
meant that? The verse is clear, but let me make it a bit clearer:
Obviously, the verse states that the Messengers of Allah (SWT) are indeed
mocked by ignorant men, and that Allah (SWT) has indeed sent messengers to
mankind, but mankind has transgressed and mocked these men.

Now, let me add something else: Muhammad (PBUH&HF) was sent as a Messenger,
and it is CLEAR that his (PBUH&HF) message contained the affirmation that
he (PBUH&HF) is the FINAL Messenger; if we state that there may come a
messenger after him (PBUH&HF), then we are MOCKING him (PBUH&HF), and, as a
result, mocking Allah (SWT)! Such is the concept of mockery referred to in
the above verse. Also, as I said above, ANY person that calls people to
the righteous path is considered a Rasool (within the confines of the
definition of a messenger (rasool) as a "carrier" or a "caller to
righteousness" as stated above. He is NOT, however, an inspired individual
sent by Allah (SWT)). As such, if people mock him, then they have also
mocked a messenger, as the above verse suggests.

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Conclusion
I hope that these answers clarify many points, and I repeat
my apology for the late response.

Thank you so kindly, Ummah, for your responses. For the most part, I agree with you; however, I have not found anything in the Qur'an that supports the concept of the Finality of Prophethood NOR the Continuation of Prophethood. The verses quoted by everyone so far do not support the claim one way or another; HOWEVER, as you mentioned about Rasuuluuna (Messengers), the question has to do with the imprint, the seal, that the Rasuul has. Does the Rasuul have the imprint of a Messenger of Allah, or of a Prophet of Allah, or of a Believer in general. Whatever their imprints are, if they are what their imprints reveal, then there is no mockery of Muhammad (PBUH).

Maybe you might be able to simplify your case (argument) for me? The reason I make this inquiry is because Moses (PBUH) also had the seal of a Prophet of Allah, but just like Muhammad (PBUH) received the Qur'an, Moses received the Torah and that was Islam perfected too until scribes began to make a killing off of their roles in their communities through self-aggrandizement of twisting and turning and eventually altering, deleting from, and adding to the Torah. 2,000 years later, Jesus comes and reiterates Islam through the Torah, and 600 years after that, Muhammad receives that same complete religion that Moses received nearly 2,600 years prior.

I guess the key point I am trying to make - may Allah forgive me if I am wrong - is that Allah in his declarations (The Qur'an) never to my knowledge made mention of finality or continuation of Prophethood. Please advise. Thank you, my brother.

Belief in God's Messenger means accepting Prophet Muhammad as the last messenger sent by Him. While previous messengers were sent to peoples at different times to guide and reform them, the "Seal of the Prophets," Muhammad (peace be upon him and upon all of God's messengers), was sent with the final revelation (i.e., the Qur'an) to all of mankind as guidance for humanity until the Day of Judgement.



""Muhammad is not the father of any man among you, but the Messenger of Allahand the Last of Prophets. And Allah has knowledge of everything"
[Qur'an 33:40]"

This Qur'anic verse is an unequivocally decisive primary text [nass] that there will be no prophet after him. And since there will be no prophet (nabi), it follows a fortiori that there will be no prophetic messenger (rasul). The Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said:

(1) "Messengerhood and prophethood have ceased. There will be no messenger or prophet after me." [related by Ahmad]

(2) "My likeness among the prophets is as a man who, having built a house put the finishing touches on it and made it seemly, yet left one place without a brick. When anyone entered it and saw this, he would exclaim, 'How excellent it is, but for the place of this brick.'[1] Now, I am the place of the brick: through me the line of prophets (Allah bless him and give him peace) has been brought to completion." [Related by al-Bukhari]

(3) "I have been favoured above the prophets in six things: I have been endowed with consummate succinctness of speech, made triumphant through dread, war booty has been made lawful for me, the whole earth has been made a purified place of worship for me, I have been sent to all created beings, and the succession of prophets has been completed in me." [related by Tirmidhi and ibn Majah]

Allah Most Blessed and Exalted has stated in His book, as has His Messenger (Allah bless him and give him peace) in hadiths of numerous channels of transmission (mutawatir[2]) that there will be no prophet after him, so that whoever claims this rank thereafter is a lying [kadhab] pretender [dajjal], misled and misleading, even if he should stage miracles and exhibit all kinds of magic, talismans and spells."

Here ends the quotation from Ibn Kathir's Tafsir al-Qur'an al-Azim 3.493-494 (cf. Reliance of the Traveller W4.2).

Here are some ahadith from Sahih al-Bukhari:

Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "The Children of Israel used to be ruled and guided by prophets: Whenever a prophet died, another would take over his place. There will be no prophet after me, but there will be Caliphs who will increase in number." The people asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What do you order us (to do)?" He said, "Obey the one who will be given the pledge of allegiance first. Fulfil their (i.e. the Caliphs) rights, for Allah will ask them about (any shortcoming) in ruling those Allah has put under their guardianship." [al-Bukhari 4.661]

Narrated Sa'ad: Allah's Apostle set out for Tabuk. appointing 'Ali as his deputy (in Medina). 'Ali said, "Do you want to leave me with the children and women?" The Prophet said, "Will you not be pleased that you will be to me like Aaron to Moses? But there will be no prophet after me." [al-Bukhari 5.700]

Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established (1) till two big groups fight each other whereupon there will be a great number of casualties on both sides and they will be following one and the same religious doctrine, (2) till about thirty dajjals (liars) appear, and each one of them will claim that he is Allah's Apostle, (3) till the religious knowledge is taken away (by the death of Religious scholars) (4) earthquakes will increase in number (5) time will pass quickly, (6) afflictions will appear, (7) Al-Harj, (i.e., killing) will increase, (8) till wealth will be in abundance . . ." [al-Bukhari 9.237]

Narrated Isma'il: I asked Abi Aufa, "Did you see Ibrahim, the son of the Prophet?" He said, "Yes, but he died in his early childhood. Had there been a Prophet after Muhammad then his son would have lived, but there is no Prophet after him." [3] [al-Bukhari 8.214]

Narrated Ayesha (RA): "Prophethood will NOT continue after me, except the harbingers of good news". They asked "What are the harbingers of good news, O Apostle of Allah?." He replied: "Virtuous and pious dreams a Muslim sees or are shown to him". [4] Musnad of Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal

Now, the above is just a small portion of the vast amount of mutawatir evidence that proves conclusively that there are no prophets after the Prophet Muhammad (Allah bless him and give him peace), if you believe that there is a prophet after him then you are a kafir,


" `Muhammad ... is the Messenger of Allah and the Khatam an-nabiyyin.' Do you not know that the Merciful Lord has declared our Holy Prophet to be the Khatam al-anbiya unconditionally, and our Holy Prophet has explained this in his words: `There is no prophet after me', which is a clear explanation for the seekers of truth."
(Hamamat al-Bushra, p. 81-82. Ruhani Khaza'in, vol. 7, p. 200)

The Holy Prophet had repeatedly said that no prophet would come after him, and the hadith `There is no prophet after me' was so well-known that no one had any doubt about its authenticity. And the Holy Quran, every word of which is binding, in its verse `he is the Messenger of Allah and the Khatam an-nabiyyin', confirmed that prophethood has in fact ended with our Holy Prophet. Then how could it be possible that any prophet should come after the Holy Prophet Muhammad, according to the real meaning of prophethood? This would have destroyed the entire fabric of Islam."
(Kitab al-Barriyya, p. 184, footnote. Ruhani Khaza'in, vol. 13, pp. 217-218)

This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favor upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. (Quran 5:3)


The Holy Quran, in the verses, `This day I have perfected for you your religion', and `He is the Messenger of Allah and the Khatam an-nabiyyin', has ended prophethood with the Holy Prophet Muhammad. And it has said in plain words that the Holy Prophet is Khatam al-anbiya."

Allah is the Being Who ... made Adam and sent messengers and scriptures, and last of all sent Muhammad --- may peace and the blessings of Allah be upon him --- who is the Khatam al-anbiya and the best of messengers.''
(Haqiqat al-Wahy, p. 141. Ruhani Khaza'in, vol. 22, p. 145

Khatmay-Nabuwat in the Quran
Close to one hundred verses of the holy Quran, directly or indirectly, support the doctrine of the Finality of Prophethood.

Verse 40 of the Surah Al-Ahzab (33), for instance, highlights this teaching in clear terms.



Two translations of this Ayah follow:


O people! Muhammad has no sons among ye men, but verily, he is the Apostle of God and the last in the line of Prophets. And God is Aware of everything.

Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things.
(The Holy Quran, Al-Ahzab 33:40)


Muslim Scholars, since the time of our beloved Prophet(SAW), have correctly understood this verse to indicate that no new Prophet or Messenger will be sent to humanity until the day of judgment.
[Read: The Interpretation of well-known Muslim Scholars].

Numerous verses of the Quran indicate that the teachings of Islam have been completed, perfected, and preserved and have been meant universally for all the Worlds. Such statements eliminate every reason for which a new prophet may need to be commissioned to humanity. In this regard, we can briefly mention:


And We have not sent you (O Muhammad) save as a bringer of good tidings and a warner unto all mankind; but most of mankind do not know.
(The Holy Quran, Saba 34:28)



Say: "O men! I am sent unto you all, as the Messenger of Allah, to Whom belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth: there is no god but He: it is He That giveth both life and death. So believe in Allah and His Messenger, the Unlettered Prophet, who believeth in Allah and His words: follow him that (so) ye may be guided."
(The Holy Quran, Al-Araf 7:158)



If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good).
(The Holy Quran, Al-e-Imran 3:85)


The following portion of the last revealed verse of the Holy Quran is also a testimony that no Apostle with new instructions or interpretations of the holy Quran will ever need to be sent to the humanity:


This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed my favor upon you and have chosen for you Islam as your religion.
(The Holy Quran, Al-Maidah 5:3)


The following verses, which appear at the very beginning of the holy Quran, indicate the qualities of the individuals, who will benefit from the holy Quran, and have been given an assurance of salvation. In its concise and precise form, Quran makes clear that these include revelations up to the time of Prophet Muhammad(SAW), and precludes the possibility of any future revelations, prophets, or religions.


This is the Scripture whereof there is no doubt, a guidance unto those who fear Allah, believe in the Unseen, are steadfast in prayer, give charity from what We have provided for them, and believe in the Revelation sent to you (O Muhammad) and before you, and (in their hearts) have the assurance of the Hereafter. They are on (true) guidance, from their Lord, and it is these who shall be successful.
(The Holy Quran, Al-Bagara 2:2-5)


Khatmay-Nabuwat in Hadith of Prophet(SAW)
Many verses of the Holy Quran allude to the special wisdom bestowed on the Prophet Muhammad(SAW) to understand and explain the revelations included in the Holy Quran. For example, in verse 4 of chapter 14 of the Quran, we read:


And We never sent a messenger save with the language of his folk, that he [Hazrat Muhammad(SAW)] might make (the message) clear for them. Then Allah sendeth whom He will astray, and guideth whom He will. He is the Mighty, the Wise.
(The Holy Quran, Ibrahim 14:4)


The following teachings of Prophet Muhammad(SAW) deal with the issue of Finality of Prophethood. As apparent from the references, these Ahadith are authentic and have been recorded by many scholars and reported by numerous companions of the Prophet(SAW).


My position in relation to the prophets who came before me can be explained by the following example: A man erected a building and adorned this edifice with great beauty, but he left an empty niche, in the corner where just one brick was missing. People looked around the building and marveled at its beauty, but wondered why a brick was missing from that niche? I am like unto that one missing brick and I am the last in the line of the Prophets.
(Bukhari, Muslim,Tirmidhi, Musnad Ahmad, Tirmizi, Babu Khatimin-Nabiyyin, Musnad Abu Dawud Tayalisi)



God has bestowed upon me six favors which the former Prophets did not enjoy:

I have been endowed with the gift of pithy and perfect speech.

I was granted victory owing to my awe.

The spoils of war were made lawful unto me.

The whole earth has been made the place of worship for me and it has become the means of purification for me also. In other words, in my religion, offering of prayers is not confined to certain specified places of worship. Prayers can be offered at any place over the earth. And in case water is not available, it is lawful for my people to perform ablutions with earth (Tayammum) and to cleanse themselves with the soil, if water for bathing is scarce.

I have been sent by Allah to carry His Divine message to the whole world.

And the line of prophets has come to its final end in me.
(Muslim, Tirmidhi, Ibn Majah)



I am Muhammad, I am Ahmad, I am the effacer and infidelity shall be erased through me; I am the assembler. People shall be assembled on Doomsday after my time. And I am the last in the sense that no prophet shall succeed me.
(Bukhari, Muslim, Tirmidhi, Muatta')



You (Hazrat Ali) are related to me as Aaron was related to Moses (pbuh). But no Apostle will come after me.
(Bukhari, Muslim
Musnad recorded a similar hadith ending in 'Behold there is no prophethood after me.')



If ever there arose a person from among my people who would hold communion with God, it would be none else but 'Umar bin Khattab.
(Bukhari , Muslim, Tirmidhi)



We are the last (ummah) but will precede all on the Day of Resurrection except that the Book was given to them before us.
(Bukhari, Muslim)



The tribe of Israel was guided by prophets. When a prophet passed away, another prophet succeeded him. But no prophet will come after me; only caliphs will succeed me.
(Bukhari)



I am the last in line of the prophets of God and my Masjid is the last Masjid.
(Muslim)



The chain of Messengers and Prophets has come to an end. There shall be no Messenger nor Prophet after me.
(Tirmidhi, Musnad Ahmad, Anas bin Malik)



There will arise thirty impostors in my Ummah and each one of them will pronounce to the world that he is a prophet, but I am the last in the line of the Prophets of God and no Prophet will come after me.
(Abu Dawood, Tirmizi)



Allah will send no Apostle after me, but only Mubashshirat (Good vision or pious vision).
(Musnad Ahmad, Abu Tufail, Nasa'i, Abu Dawud)



No Prophet will come after me and there will, therefore, be no other community of followers of any new Prophet.
(Baihaqi, Tabarani)



God Almighty hath sent unto the world no apostle who did not warn his people about the appearance of Dajjal (Anti-Christ, but Dajjal did not appear in their time). I am the last in the line of Prophets and you are the last community of believers. Without doubt, then, Dajjal shall appear from amongst you.
(Ibn Majah)



I am Muhammad, the unlettered prophet of Allah. I am Muhammad, the unlettered prophet of Allah. I am Muhammad, the unlettered prophet of Allah. There will be no prophet after me.
(Musnad Ahmad)


These are just a brief listing of the authentic teachings of Hazrat Muhammad(SAW) available on the issue of the Finality of Prophethood; should a true believer have any doubt about the Finality of Prophethood?


It is not fitting for a Believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by Allah and His Messenger to have any option about their decision: if any one disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he is indeed on a clearly wrong Path.
(The Holy Quran, Al-Ahzab 33:36)

Once again, thank you for the historical aspect of how this doctrine of Muhammad (PBUH) being the Last of the Prophets developed; however, the a fortiori seems to be in my initial conclusion for the following reasons:

1) In Qur'an 33:40, the word often translated as seal (xātama) does not mean "final." "xātama" DOES mean seal, but "seal" does not mean "final" much less "last." The word "seal" in English or "xātama" in Arabic mean "imprint" like when people used to send messages where they would seal the flap with wax and put their "imprint" on the wax on the flap to show whom the message is coming from. All of the Prophets of Islam have the "xātama" of the Prophets, and all the Prophets/Messengers who brought in a new dispensation came to bring the perfected gospel of Allah to mankind. Even the two new translations of that verse that you provided are not correct by virtue of the etymology behind the word "xātama" that exists from studies on its historical references such as what we find in Lane's lexicon.

2) While ahadiyth are great sources of historical references of the companions of Muhammad (PBUH) as well as their companions and their companions' companions, they do not always support or supercede the Qur'an which is the Declaration of the Lord. Meanwhile, it has been proven that only less than 1% of all ahadiyth that we have are actually reliable and that is because they are supported by the Qur'an.

Therefore, what you claim as a fortiori is actually quite the opposite. My inquiry into this matter is to find conclusive evidence that the common belief by Muslims on the doctrine of Muhammad being the Finality of the Prophets is valid. Meanwhile, when I read "whoever claims this rank thereafter is a lying [kadhab] pretender [dajjal], misled and misleading, even if he should stage miracles and exhibit all kinds of magic, talismans and spells," I find such a claim twisted. Granted, not everyone who claims such rank is what they may claim; regardless of what they use as their source of evidence; for a person to claim any type of rank honestly, he/she must bear the imprint of that rank. In Qur'an 33:40, it is clear that Muhammad (PBUH) bears the "imprint" of the rank that has been stated as applies to all of the Prophets or Islam.

In the case of Qur'an 33:40 and 5:3, the a fortiori seems to be that there is no conclusive evidence one way or another that Muhammad (PBUH) is the last or final Prophet of Islam. Meanwhile, Muslim scholars, based on what I have learned (correct me if I am wrong), have not provided any reliable evidence that their interpretation is correct, and all have made their claims based on biases such as school of thoughts, sect persuasions, and unreliable ahadiyth. That's not true scholarship to me. In my mind, they are working against the Qur'an 3:85 by creating sects and desiring these religions (sects) that are in conflict with the Declaration of Allah, the Qur'an itself, and the only validated and reliable hadith I have come across so far. In fact, the Qur'an is the only hadith I have come across that bears the seal of true Scripture. To further my case, the real a fortiori comes from the verse you concluded with in your last response:

33:36 (1b) The choice from His command (1a) is not for male believers and not female believers when Allāh (‎سبحانه وتعالى) and His Messenger decree commands that are not for them, (2) and whoever disobeys (rebels against, opposes, resists, transgresses) Allāh (‎سبحانه وتعالى) and His Messenger, then certainly he strays into obvious errors. (*)

وَمَا كَانَ لِمُؤۡمِنٍ۬ وَلَا مُؤۡمِنَةٍ إِذَا قَضَى ٱللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ ۥۤ أَمۡرًا أَن يَكُونَ لَهُمُ ٱلۡخِيَرَةُ مِنۡ أَمۡرِهِمۡۗ وَمَن يَعۡصِ ٱللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ ۥ فَقَدۡ ضَلَّ ضَلَـٰلاً۬ مُّبِينً۬ا (٣٦)

36. (1a) Wa mā kāna li-mu’minin wa lā mu’minatin iṭā qađā (A)llāhu wa rasūlu-hu amran an yakūna la humu (1b) l-xiyaratu min amri-him (2) wa man ya’ṣi (A)llāha wa rasūla-hu fa qad đalla đalālan mubīnān

So maybe you might be able to strengthen your case for me with the Qur'an. Granted, I appreciate your effort because I really hate being in the minority; however, obeying Allah (SWT)is more important to me. Can you make an a fortiori with reliable evidence? Please help. Thank you so kindly.

I think Ummah has tried every convincing discourse to support her belief . So Nono I would like to know which minority do you actually belong? There are so many out there who believe that believing in 'their' prophet is essential to stay MUSLIM.
Looking forward to have your very precise approach please!
Thanks

Hello, my long time friend, Silent. Wonderful to receive your response!

The minority that I am in is the minority that believes that where there is a claim, in order for it to maintain a status of fact, it requires equal amount of evidence. As for which sect of Islam I belong, there are no true sects in Islam because the religion of Allah is One, Allah forbids the division we see in Sunnis, Shias, and all other sects of Islam, and anyone who stakes claims in such division does not bear the imprint of a believer. In fact, the imprint of Islam is what drove me to "revert" as many call it (correct word: embrace). The imprint of Islam represents the postulate that I just presented, a postulate of truth being the highest standard by Allah, and that is what makes me a minority among claimants of belief in Islam. However, because of the many falsehoods, rather the conflicts between what is preached among some very well known and prominent Muslims and the Qur'an, throughout the world, I find myself frustrated to receive explanations that conflict with the "clarity" (as the Qur'an correctly claims) that is in the Qur'an itself.

I hope that answers your question.

As-salam alaikum brother nk

are you still waiting for a messenger to come and guide the humality

its clear from the quran

21:107] We have sent you(muhammed) out of mercy from us towards the whole world.
THE WHOLE WORLD... WHAT DO YOU THINK ABT IT??

b. A similar message is repeated in Surah Saba, chapter 34 verse 28

“We have not sent thee but as a universal (Messenger) to men, giving them glad tidings, and warning them (against sin), but most men understand not.” [Al Qur’an 34:28]

c. It is mentioned in Sahih Bukhari, volume 1, Book of Salaah, chapter 56 hadith no. 429

Narrated Jabir bin Abdullah: Allah’s Messenger said,

“Every Prophet used to be sent to his nation only but I have been sent to all mankind.”



the message of other prophet's were missunderstood while the message of muhhamed(saw) was clear....

i gonna end this debate from the words of our prophet

I AM THE LAST PROPHET AND YOU ARE THE LAST UMMAH

Assalamo Alaikum Everybody..

Same here..nice to hear from both of you...God Bless..:)

Well stated.. "Postulation of Truth"...liked it! :)

Q: Why do we want things written on a tablet ..like the commandments No 1, 2, 3.....and so on...

Islam is a true religion
Islam is the only religion
Islam is the first and last religion..
Muhammad is the LAST prophet...

Do not marry more than one
Do not marry more than four
Women are not allowed to marry more

Do not abort the fetus

Do not smoke

Do not eat carnivours (meat-eating animals)

Do not wait for prophets descending from the sky (ahaa)

Keep waiting for prophets on earth (hoho)

.............

Why do we need a PROPHET..?
Can't we do with something less 'potent'..than that..?

I mean someone who GUIDES US to the real MESSAGE OF ALLAH...
BUT
SELFLESSLY...
without satarting a NEW SECT...A NEW DIVISION...A NEW RELIGION...

..............

I don't think that ALL HADITH ARE INVALID....
If they support Quranic views ..there's no harm in considering them...
The real knowledge and TRUTH is only with Allah...the rest is MERE POSTULATION...and the waste of time...of-course!

Silent

Thank you for your response, Ummah.

No, I am not waiting for another Mesenger/Prophet; however, if someone carries the seal of the Prophets, then I most certainly am open to that possibility. However, those who have claimed to be messengers of Allah so far whom I have encountered indirectly such as Baha'u'llah, Hazrat Ahmad, and Dr. Khalifa, have all proven to not carry the imprint they claim to carry.

As for my personal belief, the Declaration of the Lord has been preserved well to this day, and it is clear. In fact, I heard Secretary of State Hillary Rodham-Clinton today quote eloquently from it to show that Al-Qaeda does not represent Islam. With organizations like Al-Qaeda, I believe that it is possible that the Qur'an may one day become corrupted, changed, altered, added to, subtracted from, etc. as the Torah was, and the Torah was preserved and guarded quite well for centuries. The Jews believed and still believe about the Torah just as most Muslims believe about the Qur'an today. Moses was a mercy to the Jews just as Muhammad has been a mercy to all mankind for around 14 centuries.

I don't know if such fate of the Torah will indeed be the fate of the Qur'an or what we call Islam (meaning the Command of Allah), but I do believe that such Islam will survive and continue as Allah decrees until Judgment Day, even if by means of sending someone such as Hazrat Ahmad to bring Muslims back to the command Islam, which, for the record, I have not come to that conclusion as possible as that may be in my mind. At this point, meanwhile, I find the Qur'an to be most perfect and profound, clear and to the point, and true on all counts.

As for how you ended the debate, you quoted from a hadith, but I have never come across any evidence whence I have read that quote from Muhammad (PBUH) over and over again that such a statement by The Prophet has ever been authenticated as the Qur'an has been authenticated. Maybe he did say that, but it was recorded by someone other than The Prophet; whereas the Qur'an was dictated straight from The Lord through The Prophet and to the people who memorized the Ayaataa which history claims was transcribed by The Prophet's secretaries in the presence of the Prophet himself; therefore, be it noted that there is only one authenticated hadith to date that I know of, and that is The Qur'an itself.

Nono

Hi Nono..

Thanks for reflecting your inclinations...I respect them...if you allow me ...would like to add a few more things to what I stated before...as we wait for Ummah's reponse on what you 've just stated....

Initially you named a few and said that they do NOT bear the 'seal'....then you suddenly became A Follower too...

I can't understand the un-predictability....as always...the problem I felt with you..on my part...has been ...is.. what really matters to you is TRUTH...then...accept it...and respect it...and let the rest go..there are other discussions at the site which would support my statement here..that there are many Truths..which are required to be handled at the same time...with grace...like the issue of homosexuality and Nudism...similarly ..the Multiple Marraiges ..and the Continuity of the Prophethood...

If you could kindly go through some of my previous posts...would like to remind you about CLAIMING....

Do you think it is possible FOR UMMAH (Muslim Ummah)to FOLLOW ...ONE PERSON...TO BE ON SAFE SIDE...and LOOK DOWN AT ALL THE OTHERS WHO ALSO ARE STRUGGLING PERSONALLY AGAINST THE CHALLENGES.......after....believing in

The PERFECT PROPHET...so to speak..

Muslims are only 1 in 5 as you know....

so 5 out of 1 DO NOT choose to FOLLOW the PERFECT MAN EITHER....

Would appreciate your 'comments'...even if it would merely be a 'word-play'....

Thanks

JAZAKALLAH KHAIRUN

Silent

Hey, my buddy, Silent:

I need to correct your post. I have not accepted anyone as carrying the seal of the Prophets, but I am, however, open to someone who does carry the seal of the Prophets. Nevertheless, a person who is an honest, righteous messenger who does not carry the seal of the Prophets does not discount that individual from being someone I can learn truth from. For example, Sheikh Ugabuga (I'm making this example up to protect the innocent...) clarifies something from the Qur'an using ahadiyth to provide a historical perspective; then I come to an understanding that I would not have had otherwise. Although Sheikh Ugabuga does not carry the seal of the Prophets, it does not mean that he is a pretender or false teacher. It just means that he is a great teacher as all Muslims are called to be, according to the Declarations of the Lord.

As for there being many truths, I'm not sure how you mean, but, meanwhile, I do support the postulate by H.B. Blavatsky that "There is no higher religion than truth." Historical perspective (ahadiyth, for example) does not always mean that what is presented is unbiased truth, but it can give light on what prompted the revelation. However, to accept the Qur'an for what it claims to be, namely the Divine Word of Allah, I first take it based on "faith" that it is truth; then when obeying the challenge to prove it by living it, the results become knowledge based on PERSONAL experience. In this way, my experience with putting the Qur'an up to its own challenges only leads me to believe that it is indeed true. Putting ahadiyth to the test, however, does not meet up to the tests of the Qur'an, but they quite often conflict with the Qur'an whence doctrine is taken as Islamic. For THAT reason, in order for something to be Islamic doctrine in my mind, it must be provided for in the Qur'an. Otherwise, it is not truly Islamic, whether the majority accept something as Islamic or not.

Anyway, it's always great hearing from you.

Nono

Brother NK

The religion and the shariah are not trivial affairs. They command serious consideration. The prophetic sayings form part of the religion of God. To declare that a particular statement is a genuine prophetic saying is a grave judgment. It is a matter of great responsibility. Not everyone is able to discharge this duty. There are no doubt other principles of hadith investigation. They too are important for us.

THE GOSPEL AS HADITHS

When Muslims read the Gospel of Jesus Christ according to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, they sometimes complain and say, "These accounts are only Hadith. This is not like the Qur'an." I understand by this that for them the Qur'an is revealed law telling them how to live, while most of the Hadith are narrative accounts of events in the life of Muhammad - especially events which explain why certain verses were revealed. They believe that the Bible ought to be like the Qur'an, and when they find large sections of narrative material they say, "These are just Hadiths," implying that it is not the true Word of God, or that it is on some lower second class level.

As an example let us look at a few verses from the Gospel according to Luke 8:19-21 where it reads,


Now Jesus' mother and brothers came to see him, but they were not able to get near him because of the crowd. Someone told him, "Your mother and brothers are standing outside, waiting to see you."
He replied, "My mother and brothers are those who hear God's word and put it into practice."
As I understand it, Muslims would expect the true Gospel to include only the words in boldfaced type which would be considered the words of God through Jesus. Then in another book there would be a Hadith saying,


According to James the half-brother of Jesus (may God be pleased with him) the occasion for the revelation of Luke 8:21 was as follows,
Now my mother and brothers and myself came to see Jesus, but we were not able to get near him because of the crowd. Someone told him, "Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to see you."
And then the verse was revealed, "My mother and brothers are those who hear God's word and put it into practice."
This Hadith was transmitted by Luke and Mark in their books, which (along with those of Matthew and John) are the most valuable among the collections of Hadiths.) (Material in Italics arranged or added)
As a second example we might take Jesus' teaching on food as found in Mark 7:15 where he said,


"Nothing outside a man can make him `unclean' by going into him. Rather it is what comes out of a man that makes him `unclean'."
This would be considered Quranic type material and then in some other book we would find the following Hadith.


According to Peter, one of the twelve closest disciples (may God be pleased with him and with them), Jesus' teaching about food as found in Mark 7:15 and 20-23 was revealed in the following manner.
The Pharisees and some of the teachers of the law who had come from Jerusalem...saw some of us eating food with `unclean' - that is ceremonially unwashed - hands... So the Pharisees and teachers...asked Jesus, "Why don't your disciples live according to the tradition of the elders instead of eating their food with `unclean' hands?"...
Again Jesus called the crowd to him and said, "listen to me, everyone, and understand this. Nothing outside a man can make him `unclean' by going into him. Rather, it is what comes out of a man that makes him `unclean'."
After he had left the crowd, we entered the house, and we asked him about this parable.
"Are you so dull?" he asked. "Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him `unclean'? For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body"...
Then he went on and the whole saying was revealed: What comes out of a man is what makes him `unclean'. For from within, out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. All these evils come from inside and make a man `unclean'."
This Hadith was transmitted by Mark who wrote it down from Peter, Matthew also transmitted it.
Again the material in Italics has been added by me, but everything else is included in the Gospel account as given in Mark 7:1-2,5,14-23.

Therefore, it is clear to all who have read it that the Gospel does not correspond to Muslim expectations. As these examples show, Jesus' words from God and the historical explanatory material are woven together.

This situation puzzled me for a long time and I didn't really know how to answer when someone said, "These accounts are only Hadith." For the majority of Muslims, any single Hadith is not in the same class as the Qur'an. It can be accepted or rejected according to the understanding of the individual. Other Muslims, because of the difficulties mentioned above, refuse to accept the Hadith as revelation. Since neither of these views represent Christian belief about the Bible, I could not agree and say that the Gospel is just Hadith.

Another thing which puzzled me was that the Qur'an also contains much "Hadith" or "narrative material". Extensive accounts are given about the Devil's fall, Adam and Eve, Noah, Mary the mother of Jesus, and especially Abraham and Moses. The history of Abraham being told the good news of his son Isaac is described in detail in three different passages - the early Meccan Sura 51:24-37, the late Meccan Sura 11:69-83, and the late Meccan Sura 15:51-77. Moreover the 28th Sura is even named "The Story" (Al-Qaa). Why, therefore, should anyone complain because the Gospel has narrative material when the Qur'an also has a considerable amount?

THE KEY TO THE PUZZLE

As I said above, this was all very puzzling. On the one hand the Hadith seemed extremely important; and on the other hand it seemed arbitrary and not important at all. Then I read Fazlur Rahman's book entitled Islam, in which he makes the following statement:


"For, if the Hadith as a whole is cast away, the basis for the historicity of the Qur'an is removed at one stroke."[11] (Italics his, boldfacing mine)
Some readers may disagree with this statement, but if they consider it carefully, I think that they will have to agree that it is true. For although the Qur'an contains narrative material, it has very little narrative material about Muhammad's life, the battles he fought, etc.

Therefore it is true, if the Hadith as a whole were removed, we would know almost nothing about how Muhammad used to go out to fast and meditate in a cave, or how the first revelation came, or the flight to Medina. Though the Battle of Badr is very important to Islamic history, it is mentioned by name exactly one time in the Qur'an, in the Sura of the Family of `Imran (Ali `Imran) 3:123 from 2-3 AH. To understand what happened and why it was so important one must turn to the Hadith, and in Section Three, Chapter III of this book, almost all the material on the origin of the Qur'an is from the Hadith.

The logical conclusion is that the Qur'an, believed by every Muslim to be pure revelation, can only be proved and justified as pure revelation, by using the human,[12] less certain material from the Hadith. Therefore every Muslim, even one who belittles the Hadith, must decide whether the testimony of Abu Bakr, `Umar Ibn Khattab, `Uthman, and the others quoted in the Hadith is true enough and has been transmitted with enough accuracy so that their reports of Muhammad bringing the Qur'an can be believed.

This understanding of the absolute necessity of the Hadith shows that a Muslim has no basis for complaining about narrative material in the Torah and the Gospel. If the great truth of the coming of the Qur'an is validated by human Hadith which are outside of the revelation, Hadith which often have disagreements in their details and sometimes severe scientific errors; on what basis will a Muslim say that the great truth of Jesus' death for our sins cannot be validated by "hadith type material" included in the Gospel revelation?

Regarding Qur'an may one day become corrupted???
lets see what quran says...

The Qur'an in many places challenges the people to produce a surah like it.

Say: "If the mankind and the jinns were together to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they helped one another." [Qur'an 17:88]

And if you (Arab pagans, Jews, and Christians) are in doubt concerning that which We have sent down (i.e. the Qur'an) to Our slave (Muhammad Peace be upon him ), then produce a surah (chapter) of the like thereof and call your witnesses (supporters and helpers) besides Allah, if you are truthful. [Qur'an 2:23]

And this Qur'an is not such as could ever be produced by other than Allah (Lord of the heavens and the earth), but it is a confirmation of (the revelation) which was before it [i.e. the Taurat (Torah), and the Injeel (Gospel), etc.], and a full explanation of the Book (i.e. laws and orders, etc, decreed for mankind) - wherein there is no doubt from the the Lord of the 'Alamin (mankind, jinns,and all that exists).

Or do they say: "He (Muhammad(P)) has forged it?" Say: "Bring then a surah (chapter) like unto it, and call upon whomsoever you can, besides Allah, if you are truthful!" [Qur'an 10:37-38]

Or they say, "He (Prophet Muhammad(P)) forged it (the Qur'an)." Say: "Bring you then ten forged surah (chapters) like unto it, and call whomsoever you can, other than Allah (to your help), if you speak the truth!" [Qur'an 11:13]

Or do they say: "He (Muhammad(P)) has forged it (this Qur'an)?" Nay! They believe not! Let them then produce a recital like unto it (the Qur'an) if they are truthful. [Qur'an 52:33-34]

Welllll...What I mean to say exactly...is that did you really understand the 'main issues' of the 'faith' you embraced volunteerly...before..you decided to join...because Faith is NOT UNPREDICTABLE...like humans...it has a set of fixed/arbitrary standards always...yet believing or not believing...practicing or not practicing...may not make us less'faithful' though...as it is the individual responsibility...and the judgment is with Allah only the One True God...
yet..
it may harm the fragile structure of trust encompassing the boundaries of faith itself...

You believe in Quran..at least...without doubt ...yet you doubt what is written in the Quran...
Remember...
My one-sided (:) discussions...on the challenge to a Muslim forum..about Miracles...

THE PROMISE OF ALLAH

Surah Al-Barooj:

85:21] Bal huwa qur-anun majeedun بَلْ هُوَ قُرْآنٌ مَّجِيدٌ

Rather, this is a Glorious Qur'an,


[85:22] Fee lawhin mahfoothin فِي لَوْحٍ مَّحْفُوظٍ

(Inscribed) in a Tablet Preserved!


إِنَّا نَحۡنُ نَزَّلۡنَا ٱلذِّكۡرَ وَإِنَّا لَهُ ۥ لَحَـٰفِظُونَ (٩)

15:9 Absolutely, we have revealed the reminder, and, absolutely, we will preserve it.*

I agree what confusion and harm to Muslim Ummah...many Hadith (Traditions) has been causing...over the centuries...(time to pay now)....still Ummah (at forum) ...is quite justified...that you can't learn about many 'historical facts' without looking into the traditions...

How could the history have been 'preserved' then...well... as everyone knows already that they were NOT COMPILED at the time of the Prophet...and it's also known that the Messenger of Allah FORBADE his companions to PRESERVE HIS SAYINGS....at the same ...which render the source quite untrust-worthy..in general .....yet in special we can count on many ETHICAL and SPIRTUAL aspects refelcted by the traditions..NOT BELIEFS....btw...

Because...if we think and believe that Allah chose the Messenger to deliver HIS MESSAGE complete and perfect...then ONLY THE MESSAGE is the MOST RELIABLE AND SUFFICIENT FOR OUR "BELIEF-SYSTEM"... at least..

The moral and methodical issues will never be 'agreed upon'..
still Allah will not abandon us...we will be helped by people appointed by HIM to help us understand what we don't know...

I liked the example Ummah quoted from the Bible...actually it was the statement which made me fall in love with the mystic mystery of the Book itself when I was a teen..only..

What goes in heart...and what comes out....just great..absolutely justified...:)

So I only feel that we are missing an important point...somewhere..if we choose to carry on....this debate..Nono...can you please make your stand more justified...by quoting from the Quran...that ...yes..

1- More Prophets can come..wait for them
2- And ...How to 'check' the 'seal' of the prophets...of-course..

Thanks for your patience and concern..

Regards

Silent..

...(..Ramadan Mubarak :)

RE post beginning with: "Regarding Qur'an may one day become corrupted???"

Thank you again, Ummah. You DO bring very important insight to this subject, so I thank you for that. Also you are correct in that these things are not to be trivialized. I also agree with the translations of the passages you present.

Regarding these passages you present, I agree with them wholeheaartedly, but if you read them carefully, they say nothing about the finality of Prophets, but because they are the Declarations of the Lord indeed, the Qur'an, its message, and its truths, cannot be reproduced in any language, including Arabic, except by Allah Himself. The challenges of the Qur'an go without saying - hands down defeat for anyone who tries to produce anything like the Qur'an. It cannot be done. I am most certain.

As for these passages representing the finality of Prophets, much less hinting to that affect, and the security of the Qur'an as we know it today, the attributions you give to these passages simply are not true. If, or even when, another Prophet bearing the imprint of the Prophets should come again, then he/she will certainly not reproduce the Qur'an again, but it will be a message from the Lord as Allah sees fit for the people either of that dispensation or the people to whom he/she is called. Like the Qur'anic challenge, it also will not be reproduceable. The Torah was perfect at one time as well, and nowadays the only coming Prophet that the Jews believe will come is the third Messiah. Moses was the first Messiah in that he saved the Jews from Pharoah; Jesus was the second Messiah in that he save the Jews from the Romans; and the last Messiah is expected to herald in Judgment Day (or something like that). In some forms of Judaism Jesus is not even considered a Messiah, just a great teacher (rabbi).

When Islam was restored through Muhammad, it became perfected and complete just as when Islam was restored through Moses. Granted, the Torah also can never be restored to its original state unless the Arc of the Covenant can be found in its prestine state with the original Torah inside of it in the condition and format that it was when it was initially put into it. The evidence from the Qur'an that people have provided to me so far as proving that Muhammad is the last of the chain of Prophets simply does not cut the mustard. The only thing that such passages prove is that the Qur'an cannot be reproduced. We all agree with these passages.

Maybe you can muster into the equation of these verses their historical meaning as with lexicons of the language of the time. For example, maybe there are words in the Arabic that are mistranslated and that evolved over time that have been misconstrued to actually mean what you have provided, but the translations you have provided seem to be quite correct to me. If not then we are all wrong.

Thanks, my brother.

As-salam-alaikum both of you and ramadan moubarek...
thankx silent and i agree with you

Can you make an a fortiori with reliable evidence from quran? i bet you cant???

- 1- More Prophets can come..wait for them
2- And ...How to 'check' the 'seal' of the prophets

love to hear from you

RE post beginning with: It's great to hear from both of you too...Nono because...

Ramadan Mubarak to you also, my dear friend, Silent!

I think you have presented the best argument so far by presenting Qur'an 15:9 which reads as follows (your translation, btw, is also correct), but here it is in proper context (you can also read the previous verses as well if you want futher context):

15:8 We do not make the angels descend except with the truth, and they were not thereupon observers. 15:9 Indeed, We sent down the reminder, and indeed, it [meaning the truth that the angels were sent down with] will have sure protection. (*)

مَا نُنَزِّلُ ٱلۡمَلَـٰٓٮِٕكَةَ إِلَّا بِٱلۡحَقِّ وَمَا كَانُوٓاْ إِذً۬ا مُّنظَرِينَ (٨) إِنَّا نَحۡنُ نَزَّلۡنَا ٱلذِّكۡرَ وَإِنَّا لَهُ ۥ لَحَـٰفِظُونَ (٩)

8. Mā nu-nazzilu [√nzl na+yufa’’ilu] l-malā’ikata illā bil-ḥaqqi wa mā kānū iṭan munžarīna [√nžr muf’alīna, 3rd, gen., m., indef. pcple. pass., Stem IV] 9. Innā naḥnu naz-zal-nā ṭ-ṭikra wa-innā la-hu la ḥāfižūna [√ḥfž fā’ilūna, nom., m., pl., act. pcple., Stem III]

If you read the verse you presented in context, it is not about the Qur'an. It is about angels and the Truth they bring with them, so in response to "did you really understand the 'main issues' of the 'faith' you embraced volunteerly...before..you decided to join...because Faith is NOT UNPREDICTABLE...like humans...it has a set of fixed/arbitrary standards always...yet believing or not believing...practicing or not practicing...may not make us less'faithful' though...as it is the individual responsibility...", I am sure you can see the obvious.

I embraced Islam, The Prophet Muhammad, and The Qur'an because they are all predictable unlike humans. Within the parameters of Islam (the imperative), The Prophet Muhammad (the oracle of Allah), and The Qur'an (The Divine Word of Our Lord), I find myself secure in my faith in Islam, and I find truth that will stand the test of time. Because Islam is a secure diyn (standard), one's trust in it encompasses secure faith. By having Faith in the command to submit to Allah, how can you imply that I do not understand or embrace the "main issues" of the Faith prior to embracing them?

That is why I really appreciate you stating, "we will be helped by people appointed by HIM to help us understand what we don't know..." because my inquiries are to confirm what I believe or to learn correctly what I believed incorrectly. I am as a human, as you stated, unpredictable and fallable, so I am always open to new and genuine insight on various subject matters. You and Ummah present valuable insight and present important cases to the table, and I appreciate that.

Regarding your request, "can you please make your stand more justified...by quoting from the Quran...that ...yes.." Well, actually, I have not made a stand on anything. I have, however, asked a simple question based on the Qur'an as indicated by my post that opened this discussion. I presented my case and my reasoning behind my question, and I left it to my readers, my audience if you will, to investigate for themselves what I have presented in order to provide me with an answer to my inquiry and to bring the results of their investigation to the table of discussion (this presented forum topic).

As for the two points you inquired about: 1) I am not waiting for another Messenger, but, if a person does carry the imprint of the Prophets, I am quite open to investigating him/her and his/her message; as I stated before, I have never found anyone who carries the imprint of the Prophets. 2) The imprint of the Prophets are pretty much explained by Jesus in the New Testament where he is quoted as saying that you will know them by their fruits and where Moses presents the test of a prophet in Deuteronomy 18. I'm not sure of the exact verses of these two passages off-hand, but they are spot on as regards the test (imprint) of a Prophet, which do not really answer the question I presented; however, that is an excellent subject matter to bring up for discussion under another heading! :)

Fundamentally, my sister, I have presented the question; I have received answers. The answers were not satisfactory; I gave my reasons why not. My interaction does not make me less believing than other Muslims; it does not mean that my faith in the diyn of the command Islam has been shaken. I just asked a question, and I just want answers that I can take to the bank, so-to-speak. Maybe that's a bad metaphor, but you know what I mean.

Anyway, regarding my acquiring an acceptable answer to my inquiry, you have come closest to answering to my satisfaction, but you also have not provided a reason for me to not feel my question has been properly much ess completely answered. At this point, I am still in the minority and believe that Qur'an 33:40 does not justify the belief that Muhammad is the last and final Prophet. If my belief in this passage is in gross error, my kind brothers and sisters of the Faith shall surely guide me with the truth and evidence that Allah has provided us, right?

Like always, Silent, I respectfully look forward to your responses.

Nono

Hmmmmmmmm.....

Let's break the components of the debate....

Surah Al-Barooj:

85:21] Bal huwa qur-anun majeedun بَلْ هُوَ قُرْآنٌ مَّجِيدٌ

Rather, this is a Glorious Qur'an,


[85:22] Fee lawhin mahfoothin فِي لَوْحٍ مَّحْفُوظٍ

(Inscribed) in a Tablet Preserved!

Do you agree Nono that the above Ayaat definitely talk about the Quran?

Other Part..

Kindly justify...

"The imprint of the Prophets are pretty much explained by Jesus in the New Testament "

(Quoted: By NKingston)

As far as I remember from our long debate from ONLY RELIGION...you don't support NEW TESTAMENT ...at all!

plus..

Why more Prophets....? Why? Why? Why?.......
Didn't Allah put a SEAL....to 'stop'...or to 'start' more with the seal...?
If both possibilities do exist...then...why didn't He send any ...around the span of about 1300 years...why ALL CLAIMS...were SIMULTANEOUS?

Who is ..who is not? How would you know according to the Quran ONLY?

Thanks for your patience..I appreciate...

Silent

Qur'an 85:21-22 refers to the declarations made in history to people such as soldiers, Pharoah, and Thalmud. The declaration surely has been preserved. The ten commandments were preserved and well guarded on tablets, but the Qur'an was not preserved on tablets. It is preserved on a special type of paper. Here is my translation:

85:21 Nevertheless, it is glorious (honorable, dignified, noble, magnificent, exalted, sublime) declarations… 85:22 in guarded (preserved) tablets (glistening, shine, gleam).

بَلۡ هُوَ قُرۡءَانٌ۬ مَّجِيدٌ۬ (٢١) فِى لَوۡحٍ۬ مَّحۡفُوظِۭ (٢٢)

21. Bal huwa qur’ānun majīdun [√mjd fa’īlun, nom., m., sing., indef. adj.] 22. Fī lawḥin maḥfūṭin

No, I don't believe the New Testament is Scripture, much less historically correct, but Jesus has been quoted in it. That does not really collaborate as evidence, but the general idea is there in that we know that Jesus was a strict observer of the Torah, the Declaration of Allah through Moses. The Torah, Writings, Laws, and Prophets were not as corrupted as they are now, but the Jews have a more complete Bible than any other religion. We as Muslims, however, have the most recent revelation that we call the Qur'an.

As for your question on why more Prophets, I would have to ask you why we had so many since man was created. Meanwhile, the word you use as "a SEAL....to 'stop'...or to 'start' more with the seal.." is taken not only out of context, but, in order to not reiterate what I mean, kindly refer to my opening argument, my first post on this subject. There you will find what the word seal both in English and Arabic actually mean.

As for the span of 1300 years, did all the Ebionites merge with the Muslims? Did all the Jews become Christian? How do we know if Prophets or Messengers came and went? Are all of the Prophets that came to mankind mentioned in the Qur'an only? The imprints of the Prophets consist of consistent messages that are in accordance with the message of all of the Prophets. Their mission is in accordance with all of the Prophets. Their fundamental presentation, although suited to the language, culture, time, and place they were called to, contains the same basic information. The primary places I can think of where we as Muslims can learn of the imprint of the Prophets is through the Torah and the Qur'an, but, who knows, there might be records by other prophets that are not in the Jewish Bible or the Qur'an who wrote the declaration of the Lord as well.

Meanwhile, I realize how "shocking" this argument may be, BUT my intent is to justify the concept of the finality of Prophethood based on reliable evidence. That's the course we are on at this time. Kindly help. Thanks.

Brother Ummah, you are very insightful! I appreciate your contributions to my inquiry... rather, investigation now, wouldn't you say?

RE: THE GOSPEL AS HADITHS

I think you put that very well. I agree with the importance of ahadiyth. I also feel it is wrong to trivialize their true value in understanding much of the Qur'an and Islamic history post-Muhammad era. However, my perspective is that for something to be Islamic it must come from either the Qur'an or a source that the Qur'an leads us to such as the Torah, and must not conflict with the Qur'an.

My problem with the Christian Ahadiyth which they call Gospels is that they are loaded with historical conflicts and written to specific audiences for specific reasons. That makes them biased. They were neither revelations nor authenticatable accounts in that they were all written anonymously by people who did not have the imprint of the Prophets as what we know of Jesus having, according the Roman records kept and the account of Josephus as we have it today and that was obviously altered by Christians.

Otherwise, the article you present from "Fazlur Rahman's book entitled Islam" is well presented, and I would be interested in reading it as soon as I get the funds to purchase a copy. You say he's a reliable source of information? I'll take you up on your recommendation with much gratitude!

Nono

Thanks Nono for your 'patience'...:)

No I'm NOT Shocked...

If you remember/go through my previous submissions at the forum...you can definitly relate to...the fact ...that I do believe that Prophetly/Godly...so-to-speak ..keep coming and going...noticed , un-noticed..it is the way of Allah....

A best known example from the history would be Prince Budha..who quitted materialism for spiritualism...

Who answered his questions during his meditations...?
Many God?...Any Gods?...or just One and Only One True God...the SAME GOD ..of you and me...and Ummah of course (he is a she)..The God of Muhammad , Moses, Jesus...Noah..and Adam...(Peace)

Another accountable version of such examples would be..Guru Nanak...who deviated from the superstitious religion..for the reigion of One True God ...at least...
Well he remained 'hanged' 'in-between'.. may be because he was kind of a 'link' bestween two major religions...

Both of the examples I've quoted above...in my opinion represent a remarkable milestone embarking upon new spiritual avenues...which can't be trapped in any 'wordly' sense...of prophhood or godship...etc...

It is known that they both didn't 'claim' anything at all...nor did they start a new religion in the context of its term...similary none of the religions represent the exact teaching of either of the above divine personalities...just like Islam is NOT represented by most of the Muslims who are materialistic ..or ...superstitious...


Why does Allah do that...

I am not a God...:)

I can only relate to some significance , rather..

He sorts, sifts ans shreds us...
He wants to prune our hearts...because he loves us...so we find him in spirituality..which brings people close...make humans out of them...who love and respect eachother..and contribute something to the main picture of humanity...overall...to make a difference...

When He opens our hearts to see the Truth (un-wrapped)..we all embrace ISLAM...His only religion...and ISLAM has already been PERFECTED and COMPLETED...

Wellllllll...this philosophy is quite persoanl and I don't expect any agreements on it...yet I hope and pursue some considerations...though :)

Now back to The Quran...

مَا نُنَزِّلُ ٱلۡمَلَـٰٓٮِٕكَةَ إِلَّا بِٱلۡحَقِّ وَمَا كَانُوٓاْ إِذً۬ا مُّنظَرِينَ

This is about Angels/spirits of Truth

(٨) إِنَّا نَحۡنُ نَزَّلۡنَا ٱلذِّكۡرَ وَإِنَّا لَهُ ۥ لَحَـٰفِظُونَ (٩)

This is about a ZIKR=QURAN (Full n Final)

..A promise of Allah...'I will PRESERVE' it...


Believe...Believe ...Believe..
Don't...Don't......Don't..

(who cares..:)


Wassalaam

Silent


....

BTW...Nono would/can you kindly enlighten me of your views about the Quran being preserved in the 'memory' ...ROM...of human minds.. (what is it?)

Compilation and Preservation of the Qur'an??

Considering the compilation and preservation of the Qur'an will address some important questions that might sensibly arise.

Even accepting that Muhammad (on whom peace be) was a true Prophet who received revelation from Allah, how do we know that we have this very revelation in our hands today? How can we trust that it was correctly recorded so many centuries ago and that it hasn't gone through additions, deletions and corruptions since then?

These questions are doubly important because of the claims Muslims make concerning the Bible. If we are to say that the Bible contains true revelation but also the work of men, what’s to stop others making equally strong claims about the Qur’an? On one level, we can point out the coherency of the book as we have it today and how its very nature shows that it must be free of alterations.

However, such an approach is not sufficient. We need to examine the way in which the Qur’an came to be written down and collected in one volume and how it has been preserved through the ages. Before we do so, however, it would be sensible to ask whether we have any real reason to suppose in the first place that the Qur’an has been preserved. Could we be doing what people of other religions do and proving something that isn’t internally supported and therefore unnecessary?

In fact we find once again that the Qur’an actually makes a claim of preservation. There are numerous verses that make this claim, the most definitive being:

"We have without doubt, send down the message; and We will assuredly guard it(from corruption)." The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 15, Verse 9

In this verse, Allah promises that He Himself has taken on the responsibility of preserving the Qur’an. Unlike the Rabbis and Priests to whom the responsibility of preserving the previous scriptures was given, Allah is of course free of faults and perfectly able to guard His Word.

"No falsehood can approach it from before or behind it: is sent down by full by One Full of Wisdom, worthy of all praise" The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 41, Verse 42

Of course once we have established this internal evidence, we must consider the external evidence also. Let’s begin this discussion then, by remembering how the Qur’an came to be revealed. The Prophet received the first revelation at the age of 40:


" Read! In the name of your Lord and Cherisher, Who created. Created man out of a clot. Read! And your Lord is most bountiful; He Who taught (the use of )the pen; taught man that which he knew not". The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 96, Verse 1-5

After this first revelation, further parts came one at a time in varying lengths. The whole Qur’an was revealed piecemeal over a period of 23 years, the final revelation, which now appears in Surah 5 verse 3, being revealed shortly prior to the Prophet’s death (peace be upon him).

As we have mentioned, Muhammad was illiterate and therefore could not have written down these revelations himself. Instead, he had appointed scribes to carry out this task. They wrote on whatever materials were available, including pieces of cloth, leather, palm-fibre and even bones and stones. Some companions of the Prophet other than the official scribes also wrote parts of the Qur’an for their own use.

However, we find that the primary method of preserving the Qur’an was not the writing, which did take place, but in fact memorisation. Jamal Badawi explains some of the factors facilitating this memorisation:

The Arabs were known to have excellent memory. Not that writing was not known, but they depended largely on memory. So their lineage was based on memorisation; they used to memorise long poems, sometimes up to a hundred verses: they were very good at that. So Allah (SWT), as He says in the Qur’an, “Allahu a’lamu haythu yaj’alu risalatah”, Allah knows best where to put His message. Why reveal to the Arabs, not others, why in that particular point of time? There are certain qualities in the Qur’an that Allah saw it fit that it would be revealed to those people who can keep it in memory. Nobody in the world had as sharp memory as the Arabs of the time. There are lots of reports on that, even from pre-Islamic days.

Second, the Prophet (pbuh) encouraged people also to memorise it, so it’s not a passive listening to the Prophet. He encouraged people and you know some of the famous ahadeeth, “Khayrukum man ta’allamal-Qur’ana wa ‘allamah”, the best of you are those who learn the Qur’an and teach it to others. And people who memorise the Qur’an were regarded very highly in society, in the community. They are the ones who were asked to lead the prayers, so there were lots of incentives and encouragement. And above all, of course, the Prophet (pbuh) said that learning and memorising the Qur’an is immensely rewarded by Allah (SWT).

Number three: the style of the Qur’an itself made it easier to memorise. As the Qur’an says, “Wa laqad yassarnal-Qur’ana lidh-dhikr”, Allah made the Qur’an easy to remember. I’m not saying, easy to think that it’s so simple you can just take the Qur’an overnight and memorise it! Actually it’s hard to keep, they have to keep…But the style of the Qur’an, its beauty and connection and rhyme make it much easier to memorise than memorising a book of law, or sociology or psychology. It’s much easier and flowing, both in meaning and style. Number four: the Qur’an was not only recited once. And that’s a good response to those people who say, “How could we trust the memory of people, no matter how many, to preserve such a huge scripture?” No, they didn’t hear it once! The Qur’an was used on a constant basis: in the prayers; in various acts of worship; whenever people have problems, and they have a ruling, the Qur’an was the reference to that ruling.
Source: lecture recorded by author]

As well as this, the facts that the Qur'an came gradually over 23 years and its interactive nature made it easier to commit to memory.

During the month of Ramadan each year, the Prophet (on whom be peace) used to recite all of the Qur’an that had been revealed to date in the presence of the Angel Gabriel, or Jibreel, the medium of revelation. This was the ultimate means of checking his own accuracy, which in turn allowed the accuracy of other memorisers to be verified. They could check it from the 3 daily recitations in the congregational prayer, and of course the Imam, while leading the prayer, would be corrected by the congregation if he made the minutest error in the recitation, as is the practice even until today.

In his final year on earth, the Prophet Muhammad (on whom be peace) recited the Qur’an twice before Jibreel to ensure that there were no errors. The chief scribe, Zayd ibn Thabit, was also present. By the time of the Prophet’s death, the whole Qur’an had been committed to writing as well as being solidly established in the memories of several thousands of Muslims, some of whom memorised portions while many knew it in whole. As well as the copies of the official scribes, there were many partial copies of various Surahs in the possession of various Companions of the Prophet, who verified their correctness by reading them to the Prophet.

In summary then, we can see that at this stage the Qur’an had been carefully recorded and verified in a number of ways. We should note, however, that the Qur’an at that point was not in a single volume in the order in which we find it today. The Surahs were still fragmented on the scraps on which they had been written down. Today the Surahs in the Qur’an are not in the order in which they were revealed, but in fact in the order they were later compiled in line with the instructions of the Prophet (on whom be peace).

During the Caliphate of Abu Bakr, two years after the death of the Prophet (on whom be peace), many of the believers were martyred in the Battle of Yamaamah. Most significantly, 70 people who had memorised the whole Qur’an were martyred, which gives an indication of the great number of these memorisers who existed. After this great loss, some of the senior Companions became concerned that if more such events occurred, the Qur’an could become partly lost or corrupted.

Therefore, at the suggestion of ‘Umar ibn al-Khattab, Abu Bakr set up a committee to compile the Qur’an into one volume. This was headed by the chief scribe Zayd ibn Thabit, who was selected because of his qualities of having a particularly excellent memory and superior knowledge of the Qur’an, and others such as the fact that he was present during the final verification before the Angel Gabriel.

The method of collection was very rigorous. All the materials on which the Qur’anic text had been written by the official scribes were collected and verified by the memories of Zayd ibn Thabit and Umar ibn al-Khattab. There had to be at least two righteous, humble and reliable persons who could certify that the text under scrutiny had been recorded in the actual presence of the Prophet (on whom be peace). These verses were then to be compared with the written records of the Companions.

All this was done in public so there was no chance that any tampering was done behind doors. The Arabs were not a complacent people who would have sat silent while people changed the revelation from Allah. The Qur’an was compiled into manuscripts, each being one Surah, or chapter. These were kept in the possession of the Khalifah, Abu Bakr. Upon his death, they passed to his successor, ‘Umar, who subsequently passed them onto Hafsah, his daughter and a wife of the Prophet (on whom be peace).

During the Caliphate of ‘Uthman, who succeeded ‘Umar, the boundaries of the Islamic state were expanding rapidly into lands where the people did not speak Arabic. The people were converting to Islam in large numbers and learning the Qur’an from the Companions of the Prophet. However, the Companions were teaching in different modes of recitation which although all correct, caused confusion among those with less mastery and understanding of the language. They started branding each other as unbelievers due to a misunderstanding of the allowed differences in recitation. In order to stem the possible conflicts arising from these misunderstandings, ‘Uthman decided to make a standard copy of the Qur’an in a single volume. He obtained the surah manuscripts from Hafsah and appointed a committee of four senior Companions to collate them in order according to the same criterion used for the original task of forming the manuscripts. Dr Badawi states:

Historians agree on at least four copies that were made. One of them was placed with ‘Uthman in Madinah – with the Khalifah [Caliph, leader]; the other two were in Iraq – what is now Iraq – one in Basra and one in Kufa. And of course the most important centre for Islam at the time was Syria, and the fourth one was in Damascus. In fact some historians, of course, add to this that there were also copies sent to Makkah – which would be quite logical – Yemen and Bahrain: but the full agreement is on the first four.

One of the interesting things is that one of the ‘Uthmanic copies, that was placed in Damascus in the Central Mosque, Umayyid Mosque, was seen by two historians. One is Al-Kindi, who died in the year 850 of the Common Era, and later, even several hundred years, in the 14th century of the Common Era, as late as 1372, the year in which Ibn Katheer the famous historian died, he reported to have seen that also in the Central Mosque in Damascus. The Madinan copy is believed – there is some dispute – to be now available in the Topkapi Museum in Istanbul, Turkey. And there is another copy also that many of you might have seen or heard about in the media, ‘Uthmanic copy also, that is found now in Tashkent, in the province of Uzbekistan under the Soviet disunion at the present time. Since then, the Qur’an has remained identical except for a few helpful features for the ease of reading of those who are not as proficient in the Arabic language as the community of Muhammad (on whom be peace). First, there was the addition of diacritical marks, or dots that make it clear which letter is referred to by a single stroke that could otherwise be interpreted as a B, an N, a T or a TH sound, for example. Then there was the addition of vowel sounds to make it clear to non-Arabs to whom the correct rendering is less obvious. As well as this, the whole Qur’an was divided into 30 equal parts for ease of recitation over the period of a month, and 7 equal parts for a weekly recitation.

In summary then, the Arabic text of the Qur’an was meticulously compiled soon after the death of the Prophet (on whom be peace) using the written records made during his life and the sound memorisation of his companions. It has remained unchanged since then, as can be seen by comparing today’s copies with those standardised by ‘Uthman in 646. We can therefore have confidence in the miracle that is the Qur’an.

Once again, you present some very good insight to the history of the Qur'an which is indeed pertinent to the question at hand. However, the passages you present do not represent the Qur'an only, but the "reminder" in general. Here's what I mean beginning with 15:8-9 in context.
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15:8 We do not make the angels descend except with the truth, and they were not thereupon observers. 15:9 Indeed, We sent down the reminder, and indeed, it will have sure protection. (*)

مَا نُنَزِّلُ ٱلۡمَلَـٰٓٮِٕكَةَ إِلَّا بِٱلۡحَقِّ وَمَا كَانُوٓاْ إِذً۬ا مُّنظَرِينَ (٨) إِنَّا نَحۡنُ نَزَّلۡنَا ٱلذِّكۡرَ وَإِنَّا لَهُ ۥ لَحَـٰفِظُونَ (٩)

8. Mā nu-nazzilu [√nzl na+yufa’’ilu] l-malā’ikata illā bil-ḥaqqi wa mā kānū iṭan munžarīna [√nžr muf’alīna, 3rd, gen., m., indef. pcple. pass., Stem IV] 9. Innā naḥnu naz-zal-nā ṭ-ṭikra wa-innā la-hu la ḥāfižūna [√ḥfž fā’ilūna, nom., m., pl., act. pcple., Stem III]
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So in whatever form the reminder comes, yes, indeed, it will be preserved as the Reminder that came through the Torah was preserved through the Qur'an.

Now, Qur'an 41:41-42.
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41:41 Indeed, as for those who rejected the Reminder when it comes to them, indeed it will surely be a powerful writing. 41:42 The falsehood does not come to it presently or afterwards [Lit.: from between his hands nor from his successor]. It (the powerful writing) was sent down to you from Wisdom and Praise. 41:43 What was said to you except what possibly was said to the Messengers from before you? Indeed, your Designer (Lord, Developer, Master, Architect, Teacher) possesses protection/forgiveness and possesses painful chastisement. (*)

إن الذين كفروا بالذكر لما جاءهم وإنه لكتب عزيز لا يأتيه البطل من بين يديه ولا من خلفه تنزيل من حكيم حميد ما يقال لك إلا ما قد قيل للرسل من قبلك إن ربك لذو مغفرة وذو عقاب أليم

41. Inna allaṭīna kafarū biṭ-ṭikri lammā jāahum wa ‘innahu la kitābun ‘azīzun 42. Lā ya’tīhi l-bāţilu min bayni yadayhi walā min xalfihi tanzīlun min ḥakīmin ḥamīdin 43. Mā yuqālu laka illā mā qad qīla lir-rusuli min qablika inna rabbaka laṭū mağfiratin waṭū ‘iqābin alīmin
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This passage is not referring only to the Qur'an, but the reminder in general regardless of what form it comes in and to whomever it may come. Yes, indeed, the Qur'an is the reminder that came to us through Muhammad (PBUH), but the two verses you present do not in their context refer specifically to the Qur'an.

Meanwhile, you present an excellent and the best case in regard to the validity and questionability of the Qur'an. However, this does not really answer the question with regard to the finality of Prophethood by Muhammad. Do you have any other passages that might strengthen the argument that you and Silent present? I was in great hopes of you winning me over on the subject matter.

Thank you.

Nono

مَا كَانَ مُحَمَّدٌ اَبَآ اَحَدٍ مِّنْ رِّجَالِكُمْ وَلٰـكِنْ رَّسُوْلَ اللّٰهِ وَخَاتَمَ النَّبِيّٖنَ ؕ وَكَانَ اللّٰهُبِكُلِّ شَىْءٍ عَلِيْمًا‏ َ

O people ! Muhammad has no sons among ye men, but verily, he is the Apostle of God and the last in the line of Prophets. And God is Aware of everything." (Surah Al Ahzab: 40)
This verse has been revealed in the fifth Ruku' (para or passage) of Surah al-Ahzab. In this Ruku' Allah has provided answers to all those objections raised by the hypocrites, which had given rise to a storm of calumnies, slander and mischief in respect of the marriage of Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) with Hadrat Zainab (may Allah be pleased with her).

These hypocrites argued that Zainab was the wife of an adopted son of the Holy Prophet and by this connection she stood in the position of the Prophet's daughter in-law. Hence, after her divorce from Zaid, the Prophet had taken his own daughter-in-law as wife.

In order to refute this allegation Allah told clearly in verse 37 that this marriage had Divine sanction behind it and was made to serve as a lawful precedent for Muslim men to marry the wives of their adopted sons after they had been divorced by their husbands. Later in verses 38 and 39, Allah affirmed that no power could hinder the Prophet from discharging a Divine obligation. The Prophets are ordained to fear God, not the people. It has been an invariable practice of the Apostles to transmit the Divine message without any extraneous care and to perform the duties enjoined upon them by Allah without fear or hesitation. Afterwards a verse was revealed which extinguished the basis of all objections. In the first place, they had charged "You have taken your daughter-in-law as wife, in contravention of your own law that the wife of a son is forbidden to his father."

In refutation of this charge it was affirmed by the Almighty:

"Muhammad had no sons among ye men..."

thereby making absolutely clear that the man whose divorced wife was taken into wedlock by the Prophet being not his real son; the act, therefore did not imply violation of it.

The argument of their second charge ran thus: "Admitted that the adopted son is not the real one, and on that basis a father might lawfully marry the divorced spouse of his adopted son, but where was the compulsion for the Prophet to do so?"

Allah affirmed in answer to this charge:

"But, verily, he is the Apostle of Allah".

The implication is that it was Allah's mandate to the Holy Prophet to wipe out all prejudices and declare all taboos that pagan custom had unnecessarily imposed upon the people, as lawful. In this respect the Prophet's action was unequivocal and left no room for doubt. (see footnote 1, below.)

In order to lay particular emphasis upon this point Allah observes: (Khatim Al-Nabbiyeen)

"And he is the last in the line of Prophets,"

which means that no messenger nor even a Prophet charged with the mission of carrying out reforms in the sphere of Law or society which might have been omitted (God forbid) during the lifetime of Muhammad (PBUH) will ever succeed him. Since Allah ordained the ministry of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) to be final, it was, therefore, imperative that he should accomplish the task of uprooting this pagan custom.

Later the point has been further emphasized in the revelation (Wa Kan ul-Allahi Be-kulle Shai-in 'Aleema):

"God is Aware of everything."

The true import of this revelation is that Allah deemed it best to remove this pagan custom through the agency of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and that Allah only could take cognisance of the harm that the perpetuation of this infidel custom would have entailed. Allah was well aware that the line of Prophethood ended in Muhammad (PBUH) whose precedent the whole ummah would follow, and had he not done away with this custom, there would arise no man comparable in status to Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) who could accomplish the task. And suppose a reformer had arisen in later times who would break this custom, his act would not have constituted a universal or permanent precedent for Muslims of all ages and all countries to follow. No other person that follows will embody the Divine sanctity which attaches to the person of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). Hence the precedent of no man but Muhammad has the potential of wiping out the idea of all pagan customs from the souls of men for all times to come.

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footnote 1.
At this point those who deny the finality of Muhammad's Prophethood (PBUH) demand to know the tradition in which this allegation has been reported. This query in fact lays bare their ignorance. The Holy Qur'an furnishes answers to the charges of the mischief-mongers at several points without actually mentioning the charge. In each case, however, the relevant text bears unmistakable evidence as to which allegation is being answered. In the present case also the answer contains the substance of the question. The use of the conjunctive word "but" at the end of the first sentence presupposes that part of the question had yet to be dealt with. The second sentence, therefore, furnishes answer to the remaining part of the question. The first sentence had revealed to the objectors the answer to their charge that 'Muhammad had married his daughter- in-law.' However, the second point of the question "where was the compulsion for the Prophet to do so" still called for an answer. This answer was provided by the next sentence in the text.
"But verily, Muhammad is the Apostle of God and last in the line of Prophets of God."

The point may be further explained by taking an illustration from ordinary conversation. Someone says "Zaid had not risen, but that Bakr has stood up." Now this conveys the sense that Zaid has not risen, but the matter does not end there, as it gives rise to the query, "If Zaid has not risen, who has stood up then?" The subordinate clause of the above sentence "but Bakr has stood up" supplies an answer to this query. It is the same in the above case.



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The Verdict of the Text of the Qur'an
A group who has raised the heresy of a new prophethood in modern times explains the meaning of the idea of the "Finality of Prophethood" as the 'Stamp of Prophethood' thereby implying that all prophets who would succeed Muhammad (PBUH) will bear his stamp and will attain to prophethood by his seal alone. No one, in other words, who does not bear the seal of Muhammad (PBUH) will attain the status of Prophethood. But the context in which the term
"the last in the line of Prophets"

has been revealed in the Holy Qur'an leaves no scope for such speculation. If indeed the term

"last in the line of Prophets"

does bear the meaning intended by this group, then this term is surely out of place in the context in which it has been revealed. Furthermore, when the term is charged with this meaning it distorts the whole purpose of the revealed verse.

In this verse God refutes the charge and dispels doubts created by the mischievous people about the marriage of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) with Zainab (may Allah be pleased with her), the divorced wife of the Prophet's adopted son, Zaid. Does it stand to reason to make a sudden interpolation in this context of the point that Muhammad (PBUH) was the 'seal of Prophets' and that Allah had delegated to him the authority of attesting the bonafides of succeeding prophets ?

This interpretation bears no connection with the context-not the least even and is contrary to the purpose of Divine argument against the heretics. If this interpretation were true the non- believers might well have argued: "There is no hurry in doing away with this custom now. You might safely leave this task for your successor prophets who will bear your stamp."

According to a second interpretation of the idea of the finality of Prophethood advanced by this group it is said that the term

"Last in the line of Prophets"

means the "exalted Prophet." They further explain that the line of Apostles will continue, though the excellence of Prophethood has been culminated in the person of Muhammad (PBUH). This interpretation is no less defective and harmful than the other one. It hardly bears any relation to the context and, in fact, conveys a contradictory sense of the verse. Taking this thread of argument the infidels and hypocrites would have plausibly pointed out, "Sir, there will be other prophets after you, howsoever inferior in status compared to you, to fulfil the Divine mission, why must you take it upon yourself to remove this custom also?"

The Dictionary Meaning of the Word 'Khatam-al-Nabiyyin'
It is evident that the text can bear one meaning and it is that Khatam-al-Nabiyyin stands for the Finality of Prophethood with a clear implication that the prophethood has been culminated and finalized in Muhammad (PBUH). It is not only the context that supports this interpretation but also the lexicography.

According to Arabic lexicon and the linguistic usage Khatam means to affix seal; to close, to come to an end; and to carry something to its ultimate end.

Khatama al-'Amala is equivalent to 'Faragha min al-'Almali' which means 'to get over with the task.' 'Khatama al-Ina' bears the meaning 'The vessel has been closed and sealed so that nothing can go into it, nor can its contents spill out.'

'Khatam-al-kitab' conveys the meaning 'The letter has been enclosed and sealed so that it is finally secured.'

'Khatama-'Ala-al-Qalb' means 'The heart has been sealed so that it cannot perceive anything new nor can it forswear what it has already imbibed.'

'Khitamu-Kulli-Mashrubin' implies 'the final taste that is left in the mouth when the drink is over.'

Katimatu Kulli Shaiinn 'Aqibatuhu wa Akhiratuhu means "The end in the case of everything denotes its doom and ultimate finish." Khatm-ul-Shaii Balagha Akhirahu conveys the sense, "To end a thing means to carry it to its ultimate limit."

The term Khatam-i-Qur'an is used in the similar sense and the closing verses of Qur'anic Surahs are referred to as Khawatim. Khatim-ul-Qaum Akhirhuum means "The last man in the tribe." (Refer to Lisan-ul-'Arab; Qamus and Aqrab-ul- Muwarid). (see footnote 2, below.)

For this reason all linguists and commentators agree that Khatam-ul-Nabiyyin means 'The Last in the line of Prophets.' The word Khatam in its dictionary meaning and linguistic usage does not refer to the post office stamp which is affixed on the outgoing mail. Its literal meaning is the 'seal' which is but on the envelope to secure its contents.

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footnote 2.
We have referred to three lexicons here, yet the elucidation of this point is not confined to these works alone. All authoritative dictionaries of the Arabic language interpret the word Khatam in the sense that we have given to it. But the deniers of the Finality of Prophethood in their endeavor to make a sneaky assault on the religion of God argue that if we refer to someone as 'Last of the Poets' or 'Last of the Legists' or 'Last of the Commentators', we do not necessarily mean that no poet, legist or commentator will come after them; rather we only mean to say that all excellence of their act has been concentrated in such men. The actual position, however, is that when we do use these exaggerated epithets for someone we do not thereby replace or remove the original meaning of the word 'Last'. It is preposterous to assume that by its metaphorical use to refer to the excellence or perfection of a man, the word 'Last' loses its original or real significance which is 'Final'. Such an assumption can only be accepted by a person who lacks elementary knowledge of the rules of grammar. There is no grammatical principle in any language by which the metaphorical meaning of a word may be taken as its real or original meaning. Besides, the metaphorical meaning in no case replaces or obliterates the real and basic meaning of the word.
When you tell an Arab 'Ja Khatam ul-Qaum', he will certainly not take it to mean that 'the perfect or the most excellent man of the tribe has come.' He will, on the other hand, take it to mean that 'the whole tribe, even to the last man, has come.'

There is another point to be considered. Such terms as the 'Last Poet', the Last Legist' or the 'Last Narrator of hadith' are eulogies used by men for other human beings whom they deem to be perfect and excellent. Those who use these hyperboles for other men certainly can not say, nor do they know, that people of such excellence will come in later times or not. So in human language these appellations are hyperboles, but when God uses for a person that such and such quality has been culminated in him, there is no reason to take it in the metaphorical sense in the strain of human expression. If Allah had pronounced someone as 'Last Poet', he would have been last poet in the literal sense of the word. If Allah appoints someone as His 'Last Prophet', there is absolutely no possibility of any other person attaining to that dignity after that.

God is Omniscient. Man has but limited knowledge. This being so, how can one construe the human praise of a person as 'Last Poet' or the last of the jurists in the same sense as God's pronouncement of a person as the 'Last Prophet'?

Is GOD the Enemy of our Faith?
In the first place, Prophethood is a delicate matter. According to the Holy Qur'an the idea of Prophethood is such a fundamental article of faith that one who believes in this idea is a believer and he who disbelieves is an infidel. If a man does not put his faith in a prophet, he is an apostate; similarly if he believes in the claim of an imposter to be a prophet, he becomes an infidel. In such a delicate and important matter Omniscient God certainly cannot be expected to have made a slip. If there were to be a Prophet after the time of Muhammad (PBUH), God would have made this possibility clear in the Holy Qur'an or He would have commanded His Apostle Muhammad to make a clear declaration of it. The Apostle of God would never have passed away without having forewarned his people that other Apostles would succeed him and that his followers must put their faith in the succeeding prophets.
Had God and His Messenger (PBUH) any intention of undermining our faith by hiding from us the possibility of opening the door of Prophethood after the advent of Muhammad (PBUH) and the coming of a new prophet, thus leaving us in a quandary that if we did not believe in the ministry of a new prophet we would apostate from Islam? Further than this, not only were we kept in the dark by God and His Messenger (PBUH) about all this, but, on the contrary, they made observations and affirmations which the Ummah for the last thirteen [now fourteen] hundred years has taken to mean and even today holds the view that no prophet will come after Muhammad (PBUH). Could God and His Messenger really temper with our faith? Supposing for a moment that admittance to the office of Prophethood is open and a new Prophet does appear, we shall refuse him without fear. For this refutation, God might call us to account on the Day of Judgement; but we shall place the whole record of His own affirmations and injunctions before Him and this evidence will prove that (God-forbid) Allah's Book and the Sunnah of His Messenger had led us to disbelieve the new prophet and had thus condemned us to be infidels. We have no fear that after considering this record God Almighty will consider it fit to punish us for blasphemy against the new Prophet. But if the door of Prophethood is in fact closed and no Prophet will arise after Muhammad (PBUH), and despite this fact a person puts his faith in the claim of a new prophet, that person should think well indeed as to what record can be presented before God in his defense to avoid the punishment for blasphemy and to achieve salvation? Such a man should look through the material of his defense before he is produced in the August Court of the Almighty. He should compare this material with the record that we have presented and then judge for himself if the material upon which he is relying for his defense is worth the trust of a reasonable man and can he court the risk of facing the charge of blasphemy and be punished for it with the kind of defense that he has at his disposal?

Do We Need a Prophet Now?
The second point which requires consideration is that Prophethood is not a quality to be acquired by any person who proves himself worthy of it by devoting himself to prayers and righteous deeds. Nor is it anything like a reward given in recognition of good service. Prophethood is an office and Allah appoints some person to this office to fulfill a special need. When such a need arises, God appoints a Prophet to fulfill it. Allah does not send prophets in rapid succession when there is no need or when the need has been fulfilled. When we refer to the Quran in order to find out conditions when the Prophets were appointed by Allah, we come to know that there are only four conditions under which the Prophets have been sent unto the world.
Firstly there was need for a prophet to be sent unto a certain nation to which no prophet had been sent before and the message brought by the Prophet of another nation could not have reached these people.

Secondly, there was need for appointing a prophet because the message of an earlier Prophet had been forgotten by the people, or the teachings of the former prophets had been adulterated and hence it had become impossible to follow the message brought by that Prophet.

Thirdly, the people had not received complete mandate of Allah through a former prophet. Hence succeeding prophets were sent to fulfill the task of completing the religion of Allah.

Fourthly, there was need for a second prophet to share the responsibility of office with the first prophet.

It is obvious that none of the above needs remains to be fulfilled after the advent of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).

The Holy Quran says that Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) has been sent as a bearer of instructions for the whole mankind. The cultural history of the world bears testimony to the fact that since the advent of the Holy Prophet (PBUH) up to the present time such conditions have always prevailed in the world which were conducive to transmitting his message to all nations at all times. It follows, therefore, that different nations no longer need different prophets after the time of the Holy Prophet (PBUH). The Holy Quran and the records of Hadith and the biographical details of the life of Muhammad (PBUH) stand witness to the fact that the Divine message brought into this world by the Holy Prophet is extant in its original and pure form. The Prophet's message has suffered no process of distortion or falsification. Not a single word has been added to or expunged from the Holy Book which the Prophet (PBUH) brought unto the world from Almighty Allah, nor can anyone make additions to or delete anything from it till the Day of Resurrection.

The message which the Holy Prophet (PBUH) conveyed by word and action has been transmitted to us in such comprehensive, pure and original form that we feel as if we were living in the environment and period of the Holy Prophet (PBUH).

In this way the second condition under which prophets are sent unto the world has also been fulfilled.

Thirdly the Holy Qur'an clearly affirms that God has finally completed His Divine Mission through the agency of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). Hence there is no room for a new prophet to carry the divine mission to completion.

As regards the fourth condition, if a partner were really needed he would have been appointed in the time of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) to share the burden of his ministry. Since no co- prophet was appointed, this condition also stands fulfilled.

We should, therefore, look around for a fifth condition under which a new prophet might be needed after Muhammad (PBUH). If a man argues that people have fallen into depravity, hence there is need for a new prophet to reform the degenerate people, we shall ask him: when did a prophet ever come to introduce reforms only that we should need one now to carry out the work of reformation? A prophet is appointed so that he may be the recipient of Divine revelation and Divine revelations are made with express purpose of transmitting a new message or to correct the wrongs that have crept into an earlier religion.

When the Holy Qur'an and the Sunnah of the Holy Prophet (PBUH) have been preserved in their original and comprehensive form and when the Divine mission has been completed by Muhammad (PBUH), all possible need for the transmission of Divine revelations have now been fulfilled and there is further need only of reformers to cleanse the evils of mankind, but there is no room for the prophets.

Up to this point, the historical significance to justify the Finality of Prophethood through Muhammad loses me. You wrote:
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In order to lay particular emphasis upon this point Allah observes: (Khatim Al-Nabbiyeen)

"And he is the last in the line of Prophets,"

which means that no messenger nor even a Prophet charged with the mission of carrying out reforms in the sphere of Law or society which might have been omitted (God forbid) during the lifetime of Muhammad (PBUH) will ever succeed him. Since Allah ordained the ministry of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) to be final, it was, therefore, imperative that he should accomplish the task of uprooting this pagan custom.

Later the point has been further emphasized in the revelation (Wa Kan ul-Allahi Be-kulle Shai-in 'Aleema):

"God is Aware of everything."
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That is simply not what that verse states in Arabic, so your interpretation of what this means - even though it does not remotely imply your assumption - seems to be a bit far fetched. Thereafter, everything is just historical reference or invalid argument based on what the verse actually says and not really pertinent to answering the question before us.

I have been quite aware of the historical references provided through ahadiyth, but when I have to choose between the writings of third parties and that which was revealed, the Written Declaration of the Lord, it stands to reason even still that we are talking about a "seal," an "imprint," that proves that someone is a true Prophet of Allah. All of the historicity provided through the ahadiyth that you present neither support nor disclaim your argument that Muhammad is the last and final Prophet of Allah.

Also, remember and let me reiterate again, I am not waiting on or expecting a new Messenger or Prophet. My point is that the imprint of the Prophets is what all of the Prophets of Allah share in common whether before Muhammad, Muhammad himself, or after him. The question that begs to be answered is the justification of the interpretation of Qur'an 33:40 as representing Muhammad as the last and final Prophet in the chain of Prophets of Allah.

Finality of prophethood from the Holy Quran

It is the firm belief of all Muslims, irrespective of the sect they belong to, that the Holy Quran is the last and final message of Almighty Allah revealed upon His last Prophet Hazrat Mohammed (p.b.u.h). After this divine message no other message is to come till the day of Judgment. This book is the fountain of knowledge and a lantern of guidance forever. Everything is present in it.

Allah the Alimighty has introduced Quran as the fountainhead (source) of all knowledges. We can refer to some of the verses of the Quran itself wherein the superiority of the Quran has been emphasized.

"Nothing have We omitted from the Book, and they (all) shall be gathered to their Lord in the end."

(Chapter of An'am, verse 38)

"...nor anything fresh or dry (green or withered), but is (inscribed) in a Record Clear (to those who can read)."

(Chapter of An'am, verse 59)

"..and We have sent down to thee the Book explaining all things"

(Chapter of Nahl, verse 89)

The above verses are suffiently clear to prove that Allah has explained everything in the Quran.

From the point of view of traditions, the Holy Prophet (p.b.u.h) says about its superiority: "The superiority of the Quran over other writings is like the superiority of Allah over His creatures."

(Ref: Sahih Al-Tirmizi)

One can derive the following conclusions from this seemingly simple tradition.

The tradition clearly indicates that there has never come a book better than the Holy Quran and will never ever come till the end of this World. The tradition emphasizes the importance of Quran over other books just as Allah the Almighty enjoys superiority over His creatures.

The superiority of Allah is such that there is no comparison between Allah and His creatures. In the same manner, the pre-eminence of the Holy Quran over other books - both worldly and divine is incomparable.

The magnificence of Allah over His creatures transcends time. Allah was, is and will continue to enjoy this superiority over His creatures till the end of time. In the same manner, the supremacy of the Holy Quran transcends time - it will continue to enjoy its domination over all books - past, present and future till the end of time.

It is noteworthy that despite the presence of the past books, Allah chose the Holy Quran as His final revelation and chose the Holy Prophet (p.b.u.h) as the dispenser of this revelation. Thus, the tradition not only highlights the importance of the Holy Quran, but also underlines the finality of the Holy Prophet (p.b.u.h) - just as no revelation would be required after the Holy Quran, no prophet would be required after the Holy Prophet (p.b.u.h)

Quran introduces itself in its own words

The Holy Quran introduces itself as follows:
"This is the Scripture whereof there is no doubt. A guidance unto those who fear Allah, believe in the Unseen, are steadfast in prayer, give charity from what We have provided for them, and believe in the Revelation sent to you (O Mohammed) and before you, and (in their hearts) have the assurance of the Hereafter. They are on (true) guidance, from their Lord, and it is these who shall be successful."

(The Holy Quran, Chapter of Baqarah, verses 2-5)

In the light of the above verses, we can derive the following conclusions in respect to the finality of prophethood.

All Muslims believe that Quran is a revelation sent by Allah to the Holy Prophet (p.b.u.h)

All Muslims also believe in the revelations sent to prophets before the Holy Prophet of Islam

They have an assurance of the Hereafter implying that the revelation to the Prophet Mohammed is the last revelation till the Day of Judgment and that there will be no further Prophets or revelations. Because had there been any future revelations to come Allah would have surely introduced it as He introduced the Holy Prophet (p.b.u.h) in past scriptures and would not have directly talked about the Hereafter.

Mohammed (p.b.u.h) is the last prophet and messenger

The Holy Quran, the last torch of guidance for humanity, specifically declares the finality of Prophethood of the Holy Prophet (p.b.u.h) in the following verse

"Mohammed (p.b.u.h) is not the father of any of your men, but he is the Messenger of Allah and the seal (last) of the Prophets. And God is Aware of everything."

(Chapter of Ahzab, verse 40)

Read Dictionary Meaning of Khatam

This verse has been revealed in the fifth passage of the chapter of Ahzab. It is an unambiguous verse and clearly states the order of Allah. The verse unequivocally highlights the position of the Holy Prophet (p.b.u.h) and his stature as the last prophet of all time.

It is clear for all Muslims that when Allah says that the Holy Prophet (p.b.u.h) is the last prophet then it does not leave any scope or window for any person to stake claim to the holy office of prophethood.

The Law of Mohammed (p.b.u.h) is the Last Law

Allah was well aware that the line of Prophethood would end in Mohammed (p.b.u.h) whose law was the last law. Had he not done away with this custom, there would arise no man comparable in status to Prophet Mohammed (p.b.u.h) who could accomplish the task. Even if a reformer arose in later times that would break this custom, his act would not have constituted a universal or permanent precedent for Muslims of all ages and all countries to follow. No other person that follows would embody the divine sanctity, which is attached to the person of Prophet Mohammed (p.b.u.h).

Additionally many other verses of the Holy Quran declare the Universality of Prophet Mohammed (p.b.u.h) till the Day of Judgment.

Allah the Almighty declares in the first verse of the chapter of Furqaan thus, "Blessed is He who sent down the Furqaan (the Quran) to His servant that it may be an admonition to all creatures"

Every person born till the day of Judgment is a creature of Allah. Since the Quran will remain in force till the Day of Judgment, it means that the admonition to creatures is for eternity, which in turn implies that the Prophethood of the Holy Prophet (p.b.u.h) will be valid for all creatures till the end of mankind.

Also another verse declares,

"And We have not sent you (O Mohammed) save as a harbinger of good tidings and a warner unto all mankind, but most of mankind do not know."

(The Holy Quran, Chapter of Saba, verse 28)

Thus the prophethood of Holy Prophet (p.b.u.h) is binding upon all mankind. Thus all men in whatever age they may come in this world before its end have no choice but to accept the prophethood of the Holy Prophet (p.b.u.h) if they are to achieve salvation.

Islam is the final religion

The following verse clearly explains the superiority of Islam over all religions past and present. Allah declares,

"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam, never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter, he will be in the ranks of those who have lost (all spiritual good)."

(The Holy Quran, Chapter of Ale' Imran, verse 85)

This verse decrees the establishment of Islam as the final religion of Allah. This verse invalidates all new religions that appeared after Islam like, Sikhism, Qadianism and Bahaism. Thus the doors of prophethood were closed on all future claimants, thereby establishing the finality of Islam as well as that of the Holy Prophet (p.b.u.h).

Further references in Quran

The finality of Quran, Islam and the prophethood of The Holy Prophet (p.b.u.h) is also implied by the following verses:

"And this Quran has been revealed to me that with it I may warn you and whomsoever it reaches"

(Chapter of Anam, verse 19)

"It is nothing but a reminder to the Nations"

(Chapter of Suad, verse 87)

"And most surely it is a mighty book. Falsehood shall not come to it from before it nor from behind it"

(Chapter of Fusselat, verse 41-42)

So Nono I think we should end the discourse where it started . The very Ayat you've stated in your very first post...and re-quoted by Ummah...


"Mohammed (p.b.u.h) is not the father of any of your men, but he is the Messenger of Allah and the seal (last) of the Prophets. And God is Aware of everything."

(Chapter of Ahzab, verse 40)

1- Muhammad is /was not a FATHER of any of the MEN..
Why? ALLAH KNOWS BETTER..

2-He is/was the MESSENGER of Allah ...everyone knows..at least

3-He is /was the KHATAMUN-NABIYYEEN....

AN END..OF MEN..MESSENGERS...PROBABLY.....

because..

NO MEN (HEIRS) OR MESSENGER CAN/HAD REACHED SUCH STATUS BEFORE OR AFTER HIM.

AS ALLAH SAYS ....ONLY HE KNOWS WHAT HE MEANS..

DO YOU THINK SUCH AN INCIDENT WILL EVER HAPPEN AGAIN ON THIS PLANET...THE ONE THAT HAPPENED 1400 YEARS AGO IN THE LAND OF ARABIA?

!

"Silent"

Musslems are fighting over silly matters.They have forgotten the main problems of surviving after running behind holy persons and numbering them.

I Am the One you have been waiting for. For I do not come from the seed of man, But from the seed of God. For it is not knowledgeable to seek me, But wise. For my wisdom is what created knowledge, and the ones who follow me will lead the ones who do not follow me. For you are of my side, And because of this, You will be one with me forever and ever.

This is the biggest lie ever conceived by man!

If Allah did not allow Abraham to kill his son as sacrifice but provided a ram, why would the same G-d allow the human-divine sacrifice? The Greek myth of Prometheous obviously was in demmand by the Greek slaves of the Greco-Roman culture that then became Christians. Most of the New Testament was written in Greekand not in Arameic that Jesus spoke!

Jesus Christ, I hope so.

Selam N.Kingston,

You are blessed by God to have this understanding.
"God will teach his true followers"
WE who bellong to God would say; Whenever you want to pursue the truth and verify anything you hear about the religion of surrender, we urge you to please use the only valid and divine source of the religion of surrender, all inspired scriptures/revelations/lectures of God wich confirms eachother.

As God says he will teach us (true believers/true surrenderes/) himself, he knows his sheep and his sheep hears his voice, he will be our teacher, he will be the one to guides us to the right path, and he will draw us closser to him.
With other words we must not try to explain/lecture or try to teach others, but only recite/convey the revelations of God and God will teach, lead and guide us to him.
Surah 24:54 "...... Lo! Allah verily is guiding those who believe unto a right path"
Surah 13:27 "...... Lo! Allah sendeth whom he will astray, and guided unto himself all who turn to (unto him)
Surah 75:16-19 "..... Then Lo! Upon Us(rested) the explanation thereof.
S 2:214 S 14: 4 S 16:37 S 6: 93
S 16:93 S 17: 97 S 18:17 S 22: 16
S 24:21 S 24: 35 S 24:46 S 28: 56
S 42:10* S 42: 13* S 75:16-19*

The old covenant/testement:
Isaiah 2:3 "Let us go up the hill of the Lord, to the temple of Israel's God. He will teach us what he wants us to do............"
Psalms 32:8,9 The Lord says; " I will teach you the way you should go; I will instruct you and advise you.
Don't be stupid like a horse or a mule, which must be controled with a bit and a bride to make it Submit (surrender).

The new covenant/testement:
1 John 2:27 But as for you, christ has pourd out his spirit on you. As long as his spirit remains in you you need not anyone to teach you, For his spirit teaches you about everything, and what he teaches is true not false. Obey the Spirit teaching, then, and remain in union with Christ.
Corinthians 2: 9-14 13. So then, we do not speak in words tought by human wisdom, but in words tought by the spirit, as we explain spiritual truths to those who has the spirit.
John 14: 26 The helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name will teach you every thing and make you remamber all that i have told you.
Conclusion:
These inspired scriptures that confirm eachother, teaches us plainly/openly that the work or responsability of teaching and explaining of the inspired scriptures, belongs fully to God/Allah and to christ who gives his spirit/Holy spirit to his true believers, the surrenderd ones.
The true believers are those who surrenderd/submited to God and love him with all there heart, soul and strenght.
This is total surrender from head to toe every atom, every cell, all organs, your DNA your whole being. With all it's thoughts it's wills, emotions/feelings, passions, desires, senses all must surrender to God.

Selam,
Allah Grace and mercy his love and peace fall on you.

I enjoyed your statement Till you added a big

BUT...

Please remember...that no one can CLAIM ...

I'm Righteoaus
I'm Saint
I'm Martyr ( The dead can't speak)
OR
I'm PROPHET

..


People who CLAIM PROPHETHOOD ( OR GOD-SHIP) of ANY SORT... definitely will make a new SECT...and the followeres of any particular sect will be obliged to follow the NEW PROPHET ...in order to FOLLOW ALLAH AND THE MESSENGER....

Is it RIGHT...after the FINAL MESSAGE ...to completely enslose your opinions and beliefs ...inside the sectarian Utopia.....**

** While the ISLAM IS FREEDOM....? UT ......,

A person who follows the religion of surrender, see surah 3:19,85 and reaches the state of surrender/selfrealisation is following the religion of all prophets and saints and messengers, this is no new religion or sect this is the true religion.
Now if it does not match with the other sects Who is wrong?
Remember that Allah says that our İslam/surrender/submission is one religion and that we may not devide ourselves into sect or groups.
And remember That our prophet Muhammad, said that there will be 73 sect after him, 72 of them will go to hell, and 1 will be saved.
We have at the moment close to 200 sects.
This littaraly means that 99% of people who call themselves moslims will go to fire.
The only group that will be saved are those who surrender themselves to Allah.
At the moment we start calling ourselves Shia and suni we where wrong.
So, why will a saint/messenger/surrender to/of God not claim what is his. He will be verry selfish if he keeps his sainthood to himself.
And Yes, he will not be accepted, for he will clean up falsehood.
And no one likes that.
But he will be representing the only true religion of God.

May Gods grace and mercy peace and love fall on you.

God`s humble and faithful servant,

The surrenderd12God

Greatings in the name of the most High God to all truth seekers,
May God bless you with his grace, mercy, love, peace and Spirit of wisdom to understand his spiritual words which are ment only for those who belong to him. Those who do not belong to him have there ears and haert seald and a curtain before there sight.

These are your words my brother N.Kingston.

''I believe that it is possible that the Qur'an may one day become corrupted, changed, altered, added to, subtracted from, etc. as the Torah was, and the Torah was preserved and guarded quite well for centuries. The Jews believed and still believe about the Torah just as most Muslims believe about the Qur'an today. Moses was a mercy to the Jews just as Muhammad has been a mercy to all mankind for around 14 centuries''.

In short, correct me if i am wrong, you are saying that the Holy books the old and new testament/covenant are curropted/changed.

If so, the following:
Read please Surah 7:32,33 ; Surah 5:87 & Surah 6:140

Those who prohibit what Allah did not prohibit are called,
agresssors, transgressors, liars, and idol worshipers.

Did Allah at anny time prohibit, or say that they where changed or something close to this. If Allah confirms and agrees with his earlier revelations. Which human being will have the right to say that his revelations ''Bible'' are/is changed.

The Holy Quran ''Word of God'' Confirms and is
Watcher over The Bible ''Word of God''.
A true believer can never say anything bad about Gods word.
A true believer is according to the Quran which is the word of Allah a Watcher over the book ''Holy Bible''

Surah 5:48 ..... ''We have revealed the scripture of truth confirming whatever Scripture was before it, And Watcher over it''
The word Confirming: Settled, Ratified, Firmly established,in accord, formal sanction, Autorative permission, countanance or support, somthing that gives binding force, to concent, to agree, to yield, to afree in settlement, in harmony ect.

The word Watcher over:
1. Someone who closely follows or observes someone or something.
2. Protector of
3. Guard
4. To protect, to witness, to keep trust to backup, and to support. as well as ameen, control, watch and preserve.

See also:
Surah 4:150Surah 4:150

Greatings in the name of the most High God to all truth seekers,
May God bless you with his grace, mercy, love, peace and Spirit of wisdom to understand his spiritual words which are ment only for those who belong to him. Those who do not belong to him have there ears and haert seald and a curtain before there sight.

These are your words my brother N.Kingston.

''I believe that it is possible that the Qur'an may one day become corrupted, changed, altered, added to, subtracted from, etc. as the Torah was, and the Torah was preserved and guarded quite well for centuries. The Jews believed and still believe about the Torah just as most Muslims believe about the Qur'an today. Moses was a mercy to the Jews just as Muhammad has been a mercy to all mankind for around 14 centuries''.

In short, correct me if i am wrong, you are saying that the Holy books the old and new testament/covenant are curropted/changed.

If so, the following:
Read please Surah 7:32,33 ; Surah 5:87 & Surah 6:140

Those who prohibit what Allah did not prohibit are called,
agresssors, transgressors, liars, and idol worshipers.

Did Allah at anny time prohibit, or say that they where changed or something close to this. If Allah confirms and agrees with his earlier revelations. Which human being will have the right to say that his revelations ''Bible'' are/is changed.

The Holy Quran ''Word of God'' Confirms and is
Watcher over The Bible ''Word of God''.
A true believer can never say anything bad about Gods word.
A true believer is according to the Quran which is the word of Allah a Watcher over the book ''Holy Bible''

Surah 5:48 ..... ''We have revealed the scripture of truth confirming whatever Scripture was before it, And Watcher over it''
The word Confirming: Settled, Ratified, Firmly established,in accord, formal sanction, Autorative permission, countanance or support, somthing that gives binding force, to concent, to agree, to yield, to afree in settlement, in harmony ect.

The word Watcher over:
1. Someone who closely follows or observes someone or something.
2. Protector of
3. Guard
4. To protect, to witness, to keep trust to backup, and to support. as well as ameen, control, watch and preserve.

See also:
Surah 4:150 Surah 29: 46 Surah 6:92,93

Surah 2:136 Surah 2: 4 Surah 42:15
Surah 5:48Surah 4:163 Surah 2:136,138
Surah 2:136 Surah 2: 4 Surah 42:15

Greatings in the name of the most High God to all truth seekers,
May God bless you with his grace, mercy, love, peace and Spirit of wisdom to understand his spiritual words which are ment only for those who belong to him. Those who do not belong to him have there ears and haert seald and a curtain before there sight.

These are your words my brother N.Kingston.

''I believe that it is possible that the Qur'an may one day become corrupted, changed, altered, added to, subtracted from, etc. as the Torah was, and the Torah was preserved and guarded quite well for centuries. The Jews believed and still believe about the Torah just as most Muslims believe about the Qur'an today. Moses was a mercy to the Jews just as Muhammad has been a mercy to all mankind for around 14 centuries''.

In short, correct me if i am wrong, you are saying that the Holy books the old and new testament/covenant are curropted/changed.

If so, the following:
Read please Surah 7:32,33 ; Surah 5:87 & Surah 6:140

Those who prohibit what Allah did not prohibit are called,
agresssors, transgressors, liars, and idol worshipers.

Did Allah at anny time prohibit, or say that they where changed or something close to this. If Allah confirms and agrees with his earlier revelations. Which human being will have the right to say that his revelations ''Bible'' are/is changed.

The Holy Quran ''Word of God'' Confirms and is
Watcher over The Bible ''Word of God''.
A true believer can never say anything bad about Gods word.
A true believer is according to the Quran which is the word of Allah a Watcher over the book ''Holy Bible''

Surah 5:48 ..... ''We have revealed the scripture of truth confirming whatever Scripture was before it, And Watcher over it''
The word Confirming: Settled, Ratified, Firmly established,in accord, formal sanction, Autorative permission, countanance or support, somthing that gives binding force, to concent, to agree, to yield, to afree in settlement, in harmony ect.

The word Watcher over:
1. Someone who closely follows or observes someone or something.
2. Protector of
3. Guard
4. To protect, to witness, to keep trust to backup, and to support. as well as ameen, control, watch and preserve.

See also:
Surah 4:150 Surah 29: 46 Surah 6:92,93

Surah 2:136 Surah 2: 4 Surah 42:15

Surah 5:48 Surah 4:163 Surah 2:136,138

Surah 41:436 Surah 4:136 Surah 26:196,197*

Surah 46:12,29,30


Least important is that at this moment there are more than 25.000 manuscripts, of the new testament confirming from Mathew to revalation that it have not changed.
And more than 10.000 Manuscripts confirming All the old testament.

May God`s Spirit of light and truth open hearts and ears and take away the curtain from the sight, so that those who love Allah can realy come closter to him.

May God Bless you N.Kingston and our friend Silent.

Greatings in the name of the most High God to all truth seekers,
May God bless you with his grace, mercy, love, peace and Spirit of wisdom to understand his spiritual words which are ment only for those who belong to him. Those who do not belong to him have there ears and haert seald and a curtain before there sight.

These are your words my brother N.Kingston.

''I believe that it is possible that the Qur'an may one day become corrupted, changed, altered, added to, subtracted from, etc. as the Torah was, and the Torah was preserved and guarded quite well for centuries. The Jews believed and still believe about the Torah just as most Muslims believe about the Qur'an today. Moses was a mercy to the Jews just as Muhammad has been a mercy to all mankind for around 14 centuries''.

In short, correct me if i am wrong, you are saying that the Holy books the old and new testament/covenant are curropted/changed.

If so, the following:
Read please Surah 7:32,33 ; Surah 5:87 & Surah 6:140

Those who prohibit what Allah did not prohibit are called,
agresssors, transgressors, liars, and idol worshipers.

Did Allah at anny time prohibit, or say that they where changed or something close to this. If Allah confirms and agrees with his earlier revelations. Which human being will have the right to say that his revelations ''Bible'' are/is changed.

The Holy Quran ''Word of God'' Confirms and is
Watcher over The Bible ''Word of God''.
A true believer can never say anything bad about Gods word.
A true believer is according to the Quran which is the word of Allah a Watcher over the book ''Holy Bible''

Surah 5:48 ..... ''We have revealed the scripture of truth confirming whatever Scripture was before it, And Watcher over it''
The word Confirming: Settled, Ratified, Firmly established,in accord, formal sanction, Autorative permission, countanance or support, somthing that gives binding force, to concent, to agree, to yield, to afree in settlement, in harmony ect.

The word Watcher over:
1. Someone who closely follows or observes someone or something.
2. Protector of
3. Guard
4. To protect, to witness, to keep trust to backup, and to support. as well as ameen, control, watch and preserve.

See also:
Surah 4:150 Surah 29: 46 Surah 6:92,93

Surah 2:136 Surah 2: 4 Surah 42:15

Surah 5:48 Surah 4:163 Surah 2:136,138

Surah 41:436 Surah 4:136 Surah 26:196,197*

Surah 46:12,29,30


Least important is that at this moment there are more than 25.000 manuscripts, of the new testament confirming from Mathew to revalation that it have not changed.
And more than 10.000 Manuscripts confirming All the old testament.

May God`s Spirit of light and truth open hearts and ears and take away the curtain from the sight, so that those who love Allah can realy come closter to him.

May God Bless you N.Kingston and our friend Silent.

Greatings in the name of the most High God to all truth seekers,
May God bless you with his grace, mercy, love, peace and Spirit of wisdom to understand his spiritual words which are ment only for those who belong to him. Those who do not belong to him have there ears and haert seald and a curtain before there sight.

These are your words my brother N.Kingston.

''I believe that it is possible that the Qur'an may one day become corrupted, changed, altered, added to, subtracted from, etc. as the Torah was, and the Torah was preserved and guarded quite well for centuries. The Jews believed and still believe about the Torah just as most Muslims believe about the Qur'an today. Moses was a mercy to the Jews just as Muhammad has been a mercy to all mankind for around 14 centuries''.

In short, correct me if i am wrong, you are saying that the Holy books the old and new testament/covenant are curropted/changed.

If so, the following:
Read please Surah 7:32,33 ; Surah 5:87 & Surah 6:140

Those who prohibit what Allah did not prohibit are called,
agresssors, transgressors, liars, and idol worshipers.

Did Allah at anny time prohibit, or say that they where changed or something close to this. If Allah confirms and agrees with his earlier revelations. Which human being will have the right to say that his revelations ''Bible'' are/is changed.

The Holy Quran ''Word of God'' Confirms and is
Watcher over The Bible ''Word of God''.
A true believer can never say anything bad about Gods word.
A true believer is according to the Quran which is the word of Allah a Watcher over the book ''Holy Bible''

Surah 5:48 ..... ''We have revealed the scripture of truth confirming whatever Scripture was before it, And Watcher over it''

The word Confirming: Settled, Ratified, Firmly established,in accord, formal sanction, Autorative permission, countanance or support, somthing that gives binding force, to concent, to agree, to yield, to afree in settlement, in harmony ect.

The word Watcher over:
1. Someone who closely follows or observes someone or something.
2. Protector of
3. Guard
4. To protect, to witness, to keep trust to backup, and to support. as well as ameen, control, watch and preserve.

See also:
Surah 4:150 Surah 29: 46 Surah 6:92,93

Surah 2:136 Surah 2: 4 Surah 42:15

Surah 5:48 Surah 4:163 Surah 2:136,138

Surah 41:436 Surah 4:136 Surah 26:196,197*

Surah 46:12,29,30


Least important is that at this moment there are more than 25.000 manuscripts, of the new testament confirming from Mathew to revalation that it have not changed.
And more than 10.000 Manuscripts confirming All the old testament.

May God`s Spirit of light and truth open hearts and ears and take away the curtain from the sight, so that those who love Allah can realy come closter to him.

May God Bless you N.Kingston and our friend Silent.


a Faithful and humble servant of God the creator of all we see and cant see.

Peace and Love
Surrenderd12God