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Sign of Jonah part 3#
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Sign of Jonah part 3#

Most Bible scholars don't realize the depth of what Jesus said to the learned when he said, No sign shall be given to this generation but of the prophet Jonah, but only see a small part of what Jesus meant. Jonah is recognized as one of the minor prophets by these people, but actually he was a very powerful prophet to experience death in part by drowning being swallowed by a whale and resurrected the third day and cast out upon dry land who's experience in that hour was in fact a prophetic portrait of what the Messiah Jesus Christ would do for us all. No other prophet experienced such a traumatic experience in history. (1Corinthians 1:26-29)
26For [simply] consider your own call, brethren; not many [of you were considered to be] wise according to human estimates and standards, not many influential and powerful, not many of high and noble birth.
27[No] for God selected (deliberately chose) what in the world is foolish to put the wise to shame, and what the world calls weak to put the strong to shame.
28And God also selected (deliberately chose) what in the world is lowborn and insignificant and branded and treated with contempt, even the things that are nothing, that He might depose and bring to nothing the things that are,

29So that no mortal man should [have pretense for glorying and] boast in the presence of God.
To know who will show with Elijah one must stay consistent to scripture by understanding prophetics when a name is mentioned for "one", is never mentioned by accident without meaning, concerning (Peter). 2) When the lord has anointed a person for a powerful working of his plan they are spoken of by prophetic word to those who need to be informed in this case was the leaders of the people. 3) In this case this prophet has not tasted of death where his flesh suffered corruption. In these three thoughts only Jonah, and Elijah fit that place. 4) In understanding the ministry given and birthed in Jonah you see why Simon Peter was chosen by Jesus, for one he was the off spring of Jonah so the ministry was and inheritance and to keep said rights of that ministry under the name of Jonah to complete the inner circle of three witness and to continue the workings of the salvation plan named under the sign of Jonah, till Jonah and Elijah return to finish the workings of said ministry. For the sign of Jonah is about the time of grace given to man to repent and be baptized, and will be completed in the two witness to come in the tribulation period and to reveal the wrath of the lord to all those who will not repent.


. Theologians guess Enoch on the fact he's the only one recorded in writings that he never died but was translated into heaven, but that doesn't make it fact that only he could be the one.
Enoch has no prophetic word spoken of him returning to do anything.
Enoch has no relationship with the new covenant. Enoch had no sin in his life and he was before the Law of Moses, which was impossible to fulfill, say many Jews. Since Enoch had not sinned before God, there wouldn't be any personal reason for him to return to this world to be covered by the new covenant sacrifice of Jesus, where Jonah, and Elijah were under the Law of Moses, and because of Jonah's disobedience blood atonement was needed.
I've showed you more facts relating Jonah to this than anyone can do with either Enoch or Moses.
Revelations 5:1-10, not even Enoch was worthy to open the book of seven seals, but the lamb of God only, no man on or under the earth was found worthy. I say this about the lamb of God (Jesus), is because he is the one who speaks of Jonah, not a bible scalar, or theologian.
It was Jonah's ministry chosen by God to preach repentance this is why Simon Bar-jona was brought into this, as Jesus prophesied concerning Peter; he said..............upon this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it...........rock meaning the spiritual inheritance, ministry of Jonah to preach repentance, and be baptized through the name of Jesus was handed down from God to Jonah in which Peter inherited. Our spiritual inheritance is our rock in life, which explains what Jesus said in this prophesy.
The spirit of Elijah rested on John the Baptist and John preached repentance and water baptism to prepare those who would repent for the savior's coming. In this you see Elijah's spiritual connection, the same goes for Jonah, where there isn't anything connecting Enoch or Moses to any of these things concerning new covenant works, for when these two witnesses are resurrected and called back into heaven the time of grace will be over and Judgment begins.



In light of this message, reading the book of Jonah it appears as if it were unfinished, like he was interrupted by something.........I believe he too was translated into heaven as Elijah was, to await the time period in which both will return to finish the workings of the sign. By knowing that thought alone explains a reason is involved in the secret to why it isn't known.
The secret is: 1) If the men of Nineveh new he was translated into heaven they may have worshiped Jonah as a "God entity"
2) If the enemy of man had known the plan of God for Jonah
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heyverne
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Okay, I've read # 3
And some issues are clearer for me, thank you.

I wonder about the 'secret' you mentioned which you provide a suggestion as to why it was kept a secret until you realized it.
The reason being: You said if it had been revealed back then, Satan might have tried to kill off Jonah's line. Tried? I don't see that as a problem. The God of the Bible is Almighty and in charge. Praise Him He has proved time and again that is fully able to protect a line of descendants, as he did the Messianic line, in spite of Satan's knowledge and great but limited power. Is there another reason for keeping what the Bible doesn't tell us about Enoch a 'secret', if we are now supposed to know that it's true?
Also: I have a problem with the idea that Enoch never sinned. My Bible says "all have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God." The Mosaic law was not necessary for sin to enter the world, nor to occur. All have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God. Of course the possessor of the Glory of God, God Himself, Father Son and Holy Spirit, is above sin, since sin is falling short of the Glory of God. God does not fall short of His own Glory and therefore has not sinned. Job was described as a righteous man, but confessed that he was a sinner later in that book. God calls Job righteous, but not sinless. If all have sinned, Enoch sinned. He did walk with God, and was not for God took him. It appears that God applied his Grace because of Enoch's faith, so God could take him, as he will thos who are Raptured near the end. As to who returns after dying, it's not necessary to believe someone can't die twice. Lazarus, for example, who died and was resurrected though not glorifed. Just brought back into his mortal flesh, like Dorcas/Tabitha, those who came out of graves after Jesus rose, etc. all died later. Moses died, and "over my dead body" he found out later there was a big fight on the Archangel level, which Michael won, and Moses reappears in his body as does Elijah, at the same time, when Jesus was transfigured (metamorphosis is the English equivalent or the word for it in the Greek New Testament.)
Though I will not question whoever God chooses to shows up at the Temple, Moses and Elijah have more Bible pointing to them as they both were given the signs that the two prophets display at the Temple in "The Revelation" (I don't see an 's' in the title of the last book of the New Testament: "The Revelation of Jesus Christ") And Jesus refers to two witnesses against the apostate Jewish leaders of his time, which were "the law" (Moses being the plague and drought bringer) and "the prophets" (Eljah being the fire bringer".) "They have Moses, who pointed to me." If the don't believe Moses, they won't believe someone else coming back from the grave.? Wouldn't it be Just like the Lord to prove that statement true by bringing Moses back again as the ultimate witness against his own people in the last days? NO one could say "We believe Moses, just not you Jesus," any longer.
Since Michael won the contest against Satan for the body of Moses, it wasn't allowed to be corrupted. Satan wasn't allowed to foil God's plan to bring Moses back for an encore in the same body, held in reserve, or perhaps even taken directly from back then to the time of the last earthly Temple. (Like Jesus who said to the thief on the cross 'today you will be with me in paradise' and John who was taken to the end of tiem to see what would happen. Other than God having a special purpose for Moses's body to remain intact, why was it so important that Satan not be allowed do a 'Job job' on it? And of course Elija, because he called down fire from heaven, and rode a fiery chariot up there, was out of here too fast for Satan to touch him, so his would be preserved for Temple witness duty. And there isn't anything that says Jonah did'nt die. Satan wasn't allowed to touch Moses's body even though he did die.
Also, I don't see anything in scriptures that talks about a ministry being "birthed". Where do you find that?
And why, in the light of New Testament downgrading of "endless geneoligies" is there any ministry mentioned in the new testament that requires a geneological connection to be fulfilled? Other than that of Jesus, so he could be identified as the true Messiah, and to prove God's ability to preserve his plan for atonement in spite of Satan's multiple attempts to sever it.
I think the Lord indicated we weren't supposed to add to the Word of God and "birthing ministries" and the requirement of a geneological link to a prophet for any plan of God other than the Messianic line, which by the way hasn't been necessary nor observed since Jesus died and rose), why should we add these two concepts to the clear word of God, which we know He does want us to proclaim? Can we improve on what He put in His Word? And if it isn't there, and we add it, won't our ministry be void? Only the Word He gave, sent, can return to him without being void, empty or worthless. Nothing other than the Word of God brings about Spiritual birth and eternal fruit, right?
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RF2009
Replied to:  Okay, I've read # 3 And some issues are clearer for...
First When you look at how many times Satan tried to destroy man through sin from before the flood to Jesus's birth it's very posible for Jonah's decendents to be tempted beyond others for the very calling that was birthed in Jonah to be past down to (New Testement) Simon Peter.
Why do I say the ministry of Preaching repentence ( the new covenant Ministry) was birthed in Jonah? Here is why.....
No sign shall be given to this generation but of the prophet "Jonah". Jonah and the sign is one in the same knowing that the sign would not of accured if it weren't for Jonah and his mistake.
Notice what Jesus says in this verse. No sign shall be given to this generation but of the prophet "Jonah".
Meaning Jonah was given to the new covenant ministry and the church of Christ.
What God asked Jonah to do was in fact the start of the new covenant ministry to preach repentance is revealed in what Jesus says in this verse.
Maybe the wisdom is there in scripture and no one is grown wise enough to comprehend something in scripture so simple.
Knowing Jesus spoke these words to the leaders of the people and they didn't comprehend the same goes for the leaders of the church who think they have all the knowladge concerning these maters.



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