Salaam to all... I would like to clarify again..that I'm NOT supporting/promoting 'any' sectarian views..which I have refuted in my debate under 'Second-Coming-Of-Jesus' Topic, already..if someone has not yet read it kindly..please go through it and remove your doubts, before hand...Thanks.

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Let's REVISE an important aspect here, at first...


Q:Why Muslim 'raised' Jesus to sky...?

Ans: Because they wanted to 'SAVE' him to support Allah's calim that he was not killed/or Died on CROSS...according to Quran (4:157)

....but they all 'missed' this Ayat which clearly says what might had happened to Jesus a.s. and his Mother. وَجَعَلْنَا ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ وَأُمَّهُ آيَةً وَآوَيْنَاهُمَا إِلَى رَبْوَةٍ ذَاتِ قَرَارٍ وَمَعِينٍ

23:50 And WE made the son of Mary and his mother a Sign, and gave them shelter on an elevated land of green valleys and springs of running water.

Suunis says this Ayat is not clear..it might be referring to a refuge or shelter when Allah wanted to save Mary a.s. and Jesus a.s. from harm when she was young and Jesus was a child.
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Lets cross-examine this Ayat.

1-Allah made the 'Son of Mary and his Mother'...a sign..

it's not Mary and her 'Unborn Son'or a child son... :)..read the sequence..again..The Son and His Mother...The son escorting his mother....!

2-Allah gave both of them a 'Refuge/Shelter'...not just a dwelling...to carry on their jounrey of life..but to be safe..again..

3-Allah made that EVENT a 'SIGN'..

The temporary shelter at the time of Jesus's birth or sometimes later..was just a non-significant phase..beacuse they both returned and started their life amongst the aversaries again and Jesus a.s. started his mission despite of opposition.

think....hard....!!

Problem: Now when Sunnis has 'raised' Jesus to the sky because of mis-interpretting Quran..they are finding a WAY to bring him down THROUGH QURAN...which is NOT POSSIBLE AT ALL!
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This is pity that Ahmedis have been mis-using this Divine Clue to support their sectarian claims...and are inviting Christians to accept Islam through them...by EXEGGERATIONS.

Sunnis and Ahmedis BOTH needs HADITH to bring Isa/Jesus down, in one way or other....!

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I repeat...Islam is an OCEAN and can NOT be divided ..into Religions or Sects..

It's THE RELIGION OF OUR GOD-THE CREATOR OF THIS UNIVERSE-Which is 'running' the whole system of the Universe.It is here since the birth of Adam a.s. and will remain until the end of this world.Inshallah!

[13:15] To GOD prostrates everyone in the heavens and the earth, willingly or unwillingly, and so do their shadows in the mornings and the evenings.

It's the "SRIRIT OF ISLAM" that baptizes each and every soul the very moment that soul willingly submits....and turns that person into a MUSLIM....

This is what is meant by 'embracing'...and not accepting or joining...

..and only possible if we board 'Qur'an'-An Un-changed Divine Verdit..that settles all the disputes...

Jazakallah!

Wanted to add this...

'JESUS A MAN OF GOD'.. 'WHO DIED A NATURAL DEATH' HAVING BEEN RESUED 'SOMEHOW'..according to Quran...as it says..

وَمَكَرُواْ وَمَكَرَ اللّهُ وَاللّهُ خَيْرُ الْمَاكِرِينَ

3:54 And Jesus's enemies planned and ALLAH also planned, and ALLAH is the Best of Planners.

(Reminder: The Truth resides in 'Why'...not in 'How')

This is the CONCEPT which can be GENUINELY OPPOSED by ALL CHRISTIANS and many Christian-minded-MUSLIMS...who STOPPED READING QURAN after reading Hadiths in BUKHARI...haha
and had been promoting Christianity in the name of Islam...for centuries...

How can Sunnis SOLVE any problem when they themselves have been a part of the THE PROBLEM?

Isn't it FUNNY that Allah titles Muhammad s.a.w The BEST AND THE LAST in Quran..yet Hadith reports of A PROPHET....WHY SHOULD WE BELIEVE IN THIS SOURCE ?
..which is opposing Quranic Laws..that there'r NO SECOND-COMINGS ...or INCARNATIONS....

The 'Litmus test' is...Everyone who calims to be a PROPHET is/has to be a FALSE PROPHET.

Similarly 'JESUS BEING A MAN OF GOD'..is something which is 'really' HARD ON CHRISTIANS....

Otherwise ...it's just obvious, whoever on Earth will /has been claiming to be a PROPHET OR JESUS has/had always been OPPOSED...there's nothing SPECIAL in it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Addition:.. Christians have wasted all there energy in promoting their belief of Jesus being the son of God..and is alive in heaven..but have caused a'clinical death' to his 'message'..The message of All Messengers ...the Message of Allah.. Our God...

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I have been conversing with Suzan Olsson..the Author... sometimes ago through the forum at their website..but I'ven't read her book yet...
I was 'checking' it to build up my own concept..I also participated in the forum of Talpiot Tomb..(I sensed it shouldn't be true..according to Quran..)

Again ..I still leave a room to 'doubt'...because if you've gone through our debate under ONLY RELIGION..then you must have known that the TRUTH does NOT reside in HOW...it resides in WHY?

Thanks again...

Salaam..

Let's leave the rest to Allah..and keep on exploring the facts about Tomb/Tombs of Jesus a.s..'individually'...

because..

My intention is not to impose anything..it's just to show a way...

However, I would like to discuss one important aspect here which I couldn't discuss in the Topic of "Jesus's Second Coming against Quran"...openly..

In Ayat/Verses 4:157 Where Allah claims that Jesus was not Killed/Crucified....

BUT....

"وَلَـٰكِن شُبِّهَ "

they were made to think that they did...... (Khalifa)

but it appeared so unto them; ....... (Pickthall)

it appeared to them so (like Isa)......(Shakir)

he was made to appear to them like one crucified;......(Sher Ali)

it was made to appear to them.........(Yusouf Ali)


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I have given you all kind of available translations for a state of CONFUSION leading to THE MATTER OF DISPUTE...I already discussed under the Topic mentioned above.

Kindly note that Shakir had added Isa/Jesus in bracket...

He might had been reading the 'fairy tale' described in Tasfeer Ibne Kaseer (Kathir)..a favourite of all Sunnis..

My argument is...

1- If Our God is a God of 'Justice' , He CAN NOT REPLACE one man for another...

Couldn't Allah think/plan of anything better....lol!

2- To those who say that Jesus was not even hanged on the cross...I ask simply..."Where was he then?"

...what made people think that he was crucified or killed by them?


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Conclusion:

Does it REALLY MATTER....HOW should Jesus a.s. had been saved?

NO

beacuse the TRUTH doen NOT reside in HOW ..it resides in WHY...

WHY????

Because...Allah wanted to save the honour of His Beloved Messenger and his Mother (PERIOD)

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If we read the New Testament, we can find some clues and reasons of his SURVIVAL, too..

I told you I do not challenge anything...just want to give it a 'try'...

1-Jesus's bones were not broken

2- He was hanged for a few hours, only

3- Pilat (Palatoos) wanted to save him

4-Blood and water appeared on piercing with aspear,by a Roman Soldier.( a sign of life..)

5- Jesus PRAYED to Allah to SAVE him.

6- Allah wanted to keep his body SAFE..so that he could complete his remaining mission by travelling far...and to search for the LOST SHEEP OF BAN E ISRAEL, as he mentioned!

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So believe this or that ...DOES IT MATTER....

as Allah says...in the same verse...4:157

".....and those who differ therein are certainly in a state of doubt about it; they have no certain knowledge thereof, but only pursue a conjecture; and they did not arrive at a certainty concerning it. "

( Allah will solve it at the day of Judgment for those who are confused..when Jesus a.s. will be witnessing against them..Inshallah 4:158)

..AT LEAST..BELIIEVING THE FOLLOWING SOLVES THE PROPBLEM FOR ALL OF US TODAY..

1- JESUS AND HIS MOTHER WERE SAVED FROM THE ENEMIES (PERIOD)
2- HE DIED A NATURAL DEATH THEREAFTER (PERIOD)


Wassalaam

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I wish and hope that this CONCEPT of JESUS-BEING A MAN OF GOD...will BREAK THE CROSS automatically.Inshallah!

Okay, you have made your case against divinity of Jesus

what is your point? Are you saying that your religion is better because Christianity is based on false assumptions?
You question Jesus's divinity yet believe in Abraham's? Why? What proof is there of that?

you eagerly point out the defects of one sacred cow, that's fine, but how about pointing out the defects in YOUR sacred cow? (not meant as an insult...truly)

from my point of view, you are ALL insane and don't understand God.
from my point of view, God is getting pretty angry with all of us and all we are doing is sitting in our houses made of glass, throwing stones and 'holier than every other holy books' at each other...
arguing which dead man was God's favorite..really?

:::::shaking head::::

Dawn

5:75

ما المسيح ابن مريم الا رسول قد خلت من قبله الرسل وامه صديقة كانا ياكلان الطعام انظر كيف نبين لهم الايات ثم انظر اني يؤفكون
مَّا الْمَسِيحُ ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ إِلاَّ رَسُولٌ قَدْ خَلَتْ مِن قَبْلِهِ الرُّسُلُ وَأُمُّهُ صِدِّيقَةٌ كَانَا يَأْكُلاَنِ الطَّعَامَ انظُرْ كَيْفَ نُبَيِّنُ لَهُمُ الْآيَاتِ ثُمَّ انظُرْ أَنَّى يُؤْفَكُونَ
Christ the son of Mary was no more than a messenger; many were the messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how Allah doth make His signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth!

3:144

ا وَمَا مُحَمَّدٌ إِلاَّ رَسُولٌ قَدْ خَلَتْ مِن قَبْلِهِ الرُّسُلُ أَفَإِن مَّاتَ أَوْ قُتِلَ انْقَلَبْتُمْ عَلَى أَعْقَابِكُمْ وَمَن يَنقَلِبْ عَلَى عَقِبَيْهِ فَلَن يَضُرَّ اللّهَ شَيْئًا وَسَيَجْزِي اللّهُ الشَّاكِرِينَ
Muhammad is no more than a messenger: many Were the messenger that passed away before him. If he died or were slain, will ye then Turn back on your heels? If any did turn back on his heels, not the least harm will he do to Allah; but Allah (on the other hand) will swiftly reward those who (serve Him) with gratitude.

61:14 O ye who believe ! be helpers of ALLAH, as said Jesus, son of Mary, to his disciples, `Who are my helpers in the cause of ALLAH ?' The disciples said, `We are helpers of ALLAH.' So a party of the Children of Israel believed while a party disbelieved. Then WE aided those who believed against their enemy, and they became predominant.

Right on, Dawn!!

Perfectly stated, perfectly worded. You hit it right on the head. I personally think King Tut was God's favorite. Makes about as much sense.

Rock on, girl.