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The Civil War, was fought because of Lincoln's policy and the South not wanting to be governed under Lincoln's policies.

Er...I hate to bring up my short lived college education but, the REAL reason the Civil War was started had to due with the balance of power in the US Senate.

while average historical resources cite slavery as the reason the Civil War was fought, an in depth analysis of the political situation leading up to the event shows that the balance of power in the Senate was about to be changed by the ratification of another state.(I forget which state but it was out west) The issue of whether or not that state would support slavery became the focal point of the argument. The senate was already equally divided between pro-slavery and anti-slavery. They actually had fist fights on the floor of the senate over this!But it was not about slaves, it was about MONEY and POLITICAL POWER.

Lincoln tried placate the situation but war started anyway. No slaves were freed by anything other than the 18th amendment. The Emancipation Proclamation DID NOT free anyone.

if slavery had not been an issue of money and power, if ending slavery in America had not also ended the money and power once held by the south, we might still have it today. (We do in the exploitation of illegal immigrants, but that is another topic)
I would hope that our morals would have ended the institution anyway but my experience tells me, probably not, especially not if money was involved.

so, in short, millions of Americans gave their lives for power in the senate and the money of the few.

eegads, does this sound like forecasting or is it just me...

Dawn

My dear, dear friend,
The American Civil war was both a horrible, vile war and a historical victory. There are many reasons the war was declared against the southern states as, at the time, there were many legislative battles over issues that differed between the cultures of the North and the South.

As a southern born American, I can tell you with great certainty that there are, to this day, residuals that remain from that time still planted firmly in the age old families with those good ole' southern traditions. I was born in Florida and have family in Mississippi, Georgia, and Louisiana...two of my three daughters were born in South Carolina...the first state to succeed from the Union. The state of South Carolina was made the example of when the Union troops come to call...another story in it self...

The Civil War was documented extremely well. To tell the complete story of the countless documented events would fill volume upon volume of books! But, for the purpose of this discussion I believe there is a synopsis that may serve well to shed light on some of the 'whys' behind the civil war...

The level of growth of the 'civil' society in the northern states was growing at an exponential rate. More densely populated cities, superior technologies, health care(as it was) and just an over all better quality of life. This was a true contrast compared to the Plantation life style of the southern states where life progressed much slower and old traditions(that still exist today)were the mainstay of the social norm. These people liked things the way they were and would violently resist any... "outsiders comin' down hea to be makin' changes..."...be that as it may, the Americans in the north had great demands for the vast resources painstakingly harvested from the land by the southern Americans. It was not just the cotton or the wool or the prized Oak and Pine woods used to create the exquisite chests and table sets and chairs by Bostonians' it was every good or service the South had to offer.
The economics and Social differences between the divided Americans did play a role in the coming Civil War but it was not a major key issue.

The standard width between the two rails on railway lines were wider in the southern states than in the north so trains from the south and trains from the north could not traverse from north to south or vise-versa...just an example of the issues that divided the two factions and a good illustration of the lack of cooperation in areas of commerce.

Economic and social issues were just one part. There were many legislative battles that were being constantly fought and argued that ended in stale fruitless resentment. The United States federal government did not give into the desires of many of the states wishing to keep more power for themselves and the federal government believed that it did not have enough authority and the bitter argument for Nullification drove the wedge even deeper. This is a key issue.

The old traditions of the Southern Americans viewed 'Negros' as property and non-human. Some masters that owned slaves were as good to their 'property' as their dogs but many were brutal and vile to the black men and women and their children that were under such horrible bondage...(the history recorded and the accounts of the brutality against these people is very difficult to comprehend)... The conflict between 'slave states' and 'non-slave states' drew the war closer and closer as the North began to grasp the truth that these people were 'men and women', not animals, and should be included in the protections of the constitution and the bill of rights.
This did of course outrage the good ole' boys into a hate driven rage...this was a major key issue!! The United States government was not going to allow slavery to exist in a free nation...at all cost it could not be permitted to continue.

The straw that broke the camels back for the Southern states was the election of Abraham Lincoln as President in 1860...eight southern states had already seceded from the union but after Lincolns election to the presidency the conflagration had began! South Carolina was in the led...

From 1861 to 1865 and some 620,000 thousand dead and tens of thousands more maimed the 'War Between the States' finally come to an official end....the resonance of that war;however,still vibrates in the south and history will read that all men of all races are free!!

James...your southern constitutionalists pal...

:::::sigh:::

you win the biggest geek award

dammit, I guess I still have to wear that damn stupid cap...

wait, I still say that the WAR was started because of the potential imbalance of power in the US senate...I wish I recalled the name of the damn state that was about to be voted into the Union...

what ever that state was, the potential creation of new senators would tip the balance of power in the senate at that time in one direction or the other (prosouth or pronorth) and the issue at hand was would the state allow slavery or not.

the argument evolved into a debate of morality and the challenge of the Declaration that all men are created equal under God.
The pronorth/anitslavery group declared that black men were MEN and equal and that slavery was wrong under God and the Law of the Land
the prosouth/proslavery group refused to agree and this disagreement was based on the fact that, without slaves the plantation economic model would not work. (it doesn't despite the continued insistence of the South.

In fact, modern slavery, which I alluded to, is occurring in the farming of cheap lettuce, strawberries, and such. The farming industry, at all levels, is using the vast illegal immigrant population to do the labor intensive farming jobs they cannot afford to pay free Americans to do. The rest is done by machines. I live in Michigan and have witnessed illegals picking asparagus and strawberries and everything else that involves direct hand contact and long hours stooped over.
the modern name for slaves is migrant workers...

but back to the civil war...
in the South, the large money holders were individuals. In the north, it tended to be companies (we didn't really have corporate structure yet, I don't think)

thus, the civil war was about companies controlling the private money of the south (which they succeeded in doing) and the forcing of morality on a group of free people. The war itself was NOT about slaves, that was the benefit.

the civil war underscores the natural dichotomy of a country founded in the north by religious puritanical-ism and in the south by capitalist greed.

we are now faced with a struggle against social justice, the unholy alliance of puritan morality and financial greed

so there
Dawn

:::tossing dunce cap into the corner where it belongs:::

Dearest, dearest Dawn,
close but you did not win the purple jelly bean this time...The following is a portion of an article written by Martin Kelly...a civil war historian...

:::As America began to expand, first with the lands gained from the Louisiana Purchase and later with the Mexican War, the question of whether new states admitted to the union would be slave or free. The Missouri Compromise passed in 1820 made a rule that prohibited slavery in states from the former Louisiana Purchase the latitude 36 degrees 30 minutes north except in Missouri. During the Mexican War, conflict started about what would happen with the new territories that the US expected to gain upon victory. David Wilmot proposed the Wilmot Proviso in 1846 which would ban slavery in the new lands. However, this was shot down to much debate. The Compromise of 1850 was created by Henry Clay and others to deal with the balance between slave and free states, northern and southern interests. One of the provisions was the fugitive slave act that was discussed in number one above. Another issue that further increased tensions was the Kansas-Nebraska Act of 1854. It created two new territories that would allow the states to use popular sovereignty to determine whether they would be free or slave. The real issue occurred in Kansas where proslavery Missourians began to pour into the state to help force it to be slave. They were called “Border Ruffians.” Problems came to a head in violence at Lawrence Kansas. The fighting that occurred caused it to be called “Bleeding Kansas.” The fight even erupted on the floor of the senate when antislavery proponent Charles Sumner was beat over the head by South Carolina’s Senator Preston Brooks.::::

The slavery issue and the taxation battles on cotton and the election of an anti-slavery president brought the war to full fruition...there were several reasons for the war and slavery was one of the major causes. It was not the fight for balance of powers in the states, per say, but the fight over what states would be allowed by law to enslave men...slavery flies in the face of everything about freedom and the federal government had a duty to protect the constitution against the tyranny wrought by slavery and slave holders...the major cause for this war is the volatility that arose from the Abolitionist movement against the slave holders in the south...

James....



James...

You win

DAMN!

fill my glass will ya?

Dawn

No no, my friend 'we' win as we journey through time together!
What is most important is that we present facts to the people ...in a post you wrote the other day you mentioned that the number of people that would argue with you or I is dwindling...some times the truth can be somewhat painful...revealing the true nature of the history of this Nation with the power of the truth always sends the uninformed and wishful thinking running for the hills!!! Run you dogs!!! If more of the youth would but "READ" about the history that made it possible to be here and get their brains out of the damn television, this fight to enlighten them would be much less painful...the truth is more devastating than any weapon a man or woman can wield!

:::Ah, to celebrate, I offer you, Mademoiselle, a vintage 1978
Romanee-Conti From Chateau Petrus....you do like a fine red wine, oui?...allow me...:::

Oh yes, Dawn,
Just a quick and very interesting note about the Confederacy and the plans already in place to break away from the United States. Less than one month before the first shots were fired, initiating the Civil War, the Confederate Constitution was ratified on March 11, 1861. If you study the document you will be surprised to find the striking similarities between it and the US Constitution.
Many of the provisos and wordings in the US constitution in relation to the Confederate counterpart were exact thought men of color did not share in the Rights and freedoms as the whites…blacks were deemed not protected under the Confederate Constitution but the old adage was their remaining to be the ‘property’ of the slave holders. Both documents clearly indicated the protection of a mans ‘property’ yet the Confederate Constitution did not reflect men of color as men…
On April 10, 1861, CSA Brigadier General Beauregard, in command of the provisional Confederate forces at Charleston, South Carolina, demanded the surrender of the Union garrison of Fort Sumter in Charleston Harbor. Garrison commander Anderson refused.
On April 12, Confederate batteries opened fire on the fort, which was unable to reply effectively.
At 2:30 pm, April 13, Major Anderson surrendered Fort Sumter, evacuating the garrison on the following day.
The bombardment of Fort Sumter was the opening engagement of the American Civil War.
…damn, I really never liked red wine so much :::lips puckered from the dry bitter shite in my glass::: James….

I prefer california reds when I drink wine...less...air of french anus...I mean, aristocracy
ehem

wine with food
beer with sports (unless I'm driving or shooting of course)
hard liquor with everything else
except kids
for them I require ....a healthcare system
THANK YOU MR.PRESIDENT
for the great new altered reality!

Happy Easter James!
Dawn