Water water everywhere, when will it end? I can imagine that during the onset of the biblical flood people must have been talking up a storm about the amount of water that was filling up their basements and their backyards. At some point things would have been at a standstill and the civil authorities would have been throwing up their hands trying to meet citizens demanding help. I suppose the local fire departments and red cross had their hands full telling people to turn in and settle back until things subsided . Still many who had a keen eye on the water began to surmise the need for all the damage and restorations that would ensue and began counting on more work and income for their families. The local home centers probably started running out of supplies and began putting people on waiting lists for boots and sump pumps. Neighbors began calling on one another for the first time asking about the nature of the rain itself thinking it to be a once in a lifetime event. Some said it would have been better if it was snow instead of rain at least the weather would slowly melt it away . Patrons at the local supermarkets were discussing their losses as their hot water heaters, washing machines and furnaces were being damaged as the waters continued to rise and flood their basements. Weather forecasters were spelling out the details of a stalled stormfront and did not expect any letting up in the near future. Days passed and everyone was expecting the aquifers to subside as the rain began to let up. The sun came out and for a brief period of time people began to hope for the best. Many began to remove damaged items from their houses. Books, furniture , clothing, tools, and many other items stored in sheds and basement began to pile high on the sidewalks everywhere awaiting the weekly trash pickup . People expected the weather to change for the better as there was a lull in the amount of rain coming down. However, mother nature came back with a vengeance the following day with more rain. To be sure people were now a little more prepared and sump pump hoses could be seen emanating from every house discharging water into the streets. Stories from other localities percolated through and people conversed about people who lost their entire houses to this unusual storm. Rivers became unusually swollen and broke their banks. Local flooding began eroding hillsides and mudslides were increasing. Roads became blocked by trees and boulders and mud was everywhere. Insurance contractors were expecting all time losses in revenues and were anticipating a glut of claims that would inevitably be filtering in. Local municipalities were calling for the governor to instate federal funding as it was now becoming evident that this storm was becoming national disaster. Time passed and the rain came down like cats and dogs. People had not clean clothing and everywhere pots and pans were overflowing as rain found its way through roofs into peoples homes. The wind began to pickup and tornados appeared removing entire blocks of neighborhoods. People began to fear for their lives. Mostly you could here this desperation as weeping and screaming of women and children. The higher elevations of mountains and valleys began to lose their capacity to filter this water and an avalanche of water preceded to engulf everything in its path. Eventually everything was swept away and there was no place to be found not under water. This deluge was utterly complete and still it rained and rained and rained. It rained for 40 days and for 40 nights until even the tops of mountains disappeared from sight. The waters flooded the earth for 150 days. And then Noah opened a small door in the Ark. He let out a raven and it flew but could not find a place to perch and so it returned. Some time passed and he let out a dove and the dove returned in like manner. Seven days later he let out the dove again and this time the dove returned with an olive branch in its beak. This is the token of peace that god has given us. He placed a rainbow in the sky as a promise to never destroy the earth again with water. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of an angry god. The story of the flood is but one example left to us of how our complacency to God’s will can cause us to move from Gods benevolence to his stormy wrath. And it is here we need to focus our attention so that we will not be consumed by his wrath. There exists in every culture this phenomenon that we believe in our own righteousness. When we are at odds with others this behavior becomes stretched out of proportion and we strike out in our own self righteousness. However, the bible again states that God looked down to see if any did good and found none no not one.. If we decide to go off on our own and formulate our own reasoning on this we will fall flat on our faces. The scripture speaks of God as always in the position of saving his people and it is his righteousness that we must seek if we are to be saved. We should never assume that life is not immediate but rather that our time is always at hand. Our mortal lives are short enough and we are surrounded by the effects of life which can take its toll when we least expect it. I am sure that the people who died in the flood were not expecting what life was about to throw at them. Moreover we should expect that our complacency toward God’s word will have a much greater consequence. He is patient but the time will come when he will intervene. We in fact can be caught off guard and have a righteousness that is less than acceptable before our maker. However, if we take the scriptures as God’s word then we must believe what his prophet says. Isaiah 64:6 says when we display our righteous deeds, they are nothing but filthy rags. ... and all our righteousness is as a polluted garment: and we all fade as a leaf; ... The bible speaks in other places where Gods wrath was manifested. Sodom and the cities of that plain experienced his wrath in fiery hail and brimstone. These examples and others are written down for us to read. Not only to read but to take to heart as we are expected to learn from these mistakes and not commit the same ones lest we too incur his wrath. What remains of these stories is a record of how God’s patient striving with us finally comes to an end.. Time is ticking and the end of all things as we know them are finite. God is patient and not willing that any should perish. Noah was that messenger who preached repentance for 120 years while building the ark. And during all of those years people mocked and said where is your God for things continue just as they have since our ancestors said they would. Because they did not believe in the messenger and did not fear God they were all swept away! Tick tic, tick toc, tick toc goes the clock. What are we doing with one another as we text about day and night? What are we arguing about? Is it our own righteousness that we are trying to build? Have we become too busy with our own words and beliefs and have we deified our own doctrines which have nothing to do with the righteousness of God. What really matters is His righteousness and His kingdom? We should be seeking those things and believe in His messenger. Time is passing and the message is still the same, repent for the kingdom of God is at hand. This time the messenger is God himself! How shall we escape if we mock his own Son! The time draws near that our God will intervene once again. In this dispensation of grace God is calling out to us to take heed and be reconciled to his Son.. 2 Cor.5:20? Is anyone listening to this message or have we become like those in the days of Noah who became complacent and began mocking his messenger. With all the hubbub and noise we get from each other with the internet and the phones and the TV it is no wonder we fail to hear God calling out to us. His voice is however clear and unmistakable to the hearer.. So with all the noise around us there is still something that our hearts are being drawn to consider. That still small voice, God is calling out to us as he did to the prophet in (1 Kings 19:12) asking “What are you doing here, Elijah?
In like manner in the silence of our hearts God is calling to us today with the same question. What are we doing here?
Can you hear him calling?
Mike

Who is your 'God'.. Mike?

Silent,

1 Thessalonians 5:9
For God has not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ

Mike

Right!

So Do you believe in the God of Abrahim 'besides' your Lord Jesus...or.. ?

Silent,
There is only one God!
Mike

Right!

So Did 'The God' stop speaking after letting your Lord Jesus die on the Cross?

Silent,
Hebrews 1

1In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe. 3The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. 4So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.
5For to which of the angels did God ever say,
"You are my Son;
today I have become your Father[a]"[b]? Or again,
"I will be his Father,
and he will be my Son"[c]? 6And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says,
"Let all God's angels worship him."[d] 7In speaking of the angels he says,
"He makes his angels winds,
his servants flames of fire."[e] 8But about the Son he says,
"Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever,
and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.
Mike

I repeat..

Did 'The God' stop speaking after letting your Lord Jesus die on the Cross?

Silent,

Yes!
I have brought you glory on earth by completing the work you gave me to do. John17:4
When He had received the drink, Jesus said, "It is finished." With that, He bowed His head and gave up His spirit” (John 19:30).
Mike

Right!

Your Lord Jesus, One and the Only Son of The God , gave up his spirit on the cross , died in dishonour,completed his task he was assigned. The task was finished, once for ever. (period)

He gave his life for all who have sinned before him and who would sin after him.(period)

Why should anybody REPENT,then?

Silent,

Romans 10:9-10 (King James Version)


9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.


Mike

Dear Mike

I would humbly prefer to be DIRECT to my LORD, the God of this Universe and will PREFER to be on the Religion of Abrahim a.s., which was the TRUE RELIGION of ALL the MESSENGERS of ALLAH, including JESUS a.s.and MUHUMMAD s.a.w.

The FINAL MESSAGE of Allah ,OFFERS every HUMAN...A TRUE SALVATION...without ANY 'MEDIUM'. Thank you !

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Repentance in Quran:

11:52 "O my people, seek forgiveness from your Lord, then repent to Him. He will then shower you with provisions from the sky, and augment your strength. Do not turn back into transgressors."

17:25 Your Lord is fully aware of your innermost thoughts. If you maintain righteousness, He is Forgiver of those who repent.

4:17 Repentance is acceptable by GOD from those who fall in sin out of ignorance, then repent immediately thereafter. GOD redeems them. GOD is Omniscient, Most Wise.

4:18 Not acceptable is the repentance of those who commit sins until death comes to them, then say, "Now I repent." Nor is it acceptable from those who die as disbelievers. For these, we have prepared a painful retribution.

19:60 Only those who repent, believe, and lead a righteous life will enter Paradise, without the least injustice.

5:39 If one repents after committing this crime, and reforms, GOD redeems him. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.

Allah can not only forgive our SINS , but can REPLACE them with VIRTUE.

Alhumdulillah!

Any MEDIUM that comes INBETWEEN , HUMAN AND THE CREATOR.....is....AN....IDOL!

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9:3 A proclamation is herein issued from GOD and His messenger to all the people on the great day of pilgrimage, that GOD has disowned the idol worshipers, and so did His messenger. Thus, if you repent, it would be better for you. But if you turn away, then know that you can never escape from GOD. Promise those who disbelieve a painful retribution

7:152 Surely, those who idolized the calf have incurred wrath from their Lord, and humiliation in this life. We thus requite the innovators.
7:153 As for those who committed sins, then repented thereafter and believed, your Lord - after this - is Forgiver, Most Merciful.


5:72 Pagans indeed are those who say that GOD is the Messiah, son of Mary. The Messiah himself said, "O Children of Israel, you shall worship GOD; my Lord* and your Lord." Anyone who sets up any idol beside GOD, GOD has forbidden Paradise for him, and his destiny is Hell. The wicked have no helpers.
5:73 Pagans indeed are those who say that GOD is a third of a trinity. There is no god except the one god. Unless they refrain from saying this, those who disbelieve among them will incur a painful retribution.
5:74 Would they not repent to GOD, and ask His forgiveness? GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.
5:75 The Messiah, son of Mary, is no more than a messenger like the messengers before him, and his mother was a saint. Both of them used to eat the food. Note how we explain the revelations for them, and note how they still deviate!
5:76 Say, "Would you worship beside GOD powerless idols who can neither harm you, nor benefit you? GOD is Hearer, Omniscient."
5:77 Say, "O people of the scripture, do not transgress the limits of your religion beyond the truth, and do not follow the opinions of people who have gone astray, and have misled multitudes of people; they are far astray from the right path."

Silent,

1 John 5:20 (King James Version)


20And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

Mike

Then the God you believe is no more than a 'hypocrite' Mike..I dare say...!

Referred to NKingston's recent post from ..THE ONLY RELIGION.

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This is an important thing to understand because, also in John, we read of Jesus as follows.
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7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. 8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 Of sin, because they believe not on me; 10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; 11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. 12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. 13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you. John 16:7-15 (KJV)
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I believe that the author of this book had access to this great and wonderous speech because he says some rather important stuff.
Point 1: He says, "if I go not away, the παράκλητος paraklētos will not come unto you..." A paraklētos is one who advocates, but in the original meaning Paraklētos is "One who is highly praised," and as a result of this great praise, he is called "Wonderful, Counsellor" Isaiah 9:6 (KJV) In the 6th Century such a man with the same exact name was born. He was also deemed to be "Wonderful, Counsellor" by those who knew him. In fact, his name comes from the Akkadian root √ḥmd which filtered down into it's descendant languages of Hebrew and Arabic means "praise." In Arabic, when you see the particle "mu-" attached to a word, you can almost always count on that word as referring to a person. This man I mention had that particle attached to the root in his name. His name, as the author of John prophesies precisely, is Muḥammad, "One who is highly praised."

Point 2: In the narration represented as being from Jesus, he says, "I will send him unto you." If this is true, then it stands to reason that, if the paraklētos, the prophesied Muḥammad, is sent by Jesus, then it stands to reason that where the Pentateuch reads, "The Lord thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me..." Deut 18:15 (KJV), then "of thy brethren" must mean him whom Jesus "will raise up" or, in the words quoted above, Jesus "will send him unto you."

Point 3: Jesus is quoted as having said, "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come." Who else can possibly fit the fulfillment of this prophecy? The Spirit of Truth, that which Christians refer to as the Holy Spirit, is none other than Muḥammad because there is no prophecy related to the mythical Holy Ghost of the Christians as relates to the prophecies presented in Point 1 and 2.

Point 4: In context with the subject matter presented between you two, "JESUS SAIS HE WAS THE WAY.THE TRUTH, AND THE LIFE [sic.]," we need to do exactly as is prescribed in John 7:17 as one of you pointed out, specifically "17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself. 18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him. 19 Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?" John 7:17-19 (KJV)

Putting the Qur'an to the test, that which Jesus has been quoted as saying "13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come" puts every single human being, regardless of religious orientation - Christian, Jew, Muslim, UgaBuga, WagaBaga... - in the position of proving that Muḥammad misled anyone from any truth whatsoever, that he ever spoke of himself, or that he ever spoke about anything other than what he heard, or that he prophesied blatently false prophecies. So far, Muḥammad passes all the tests that Jesus provided in three different chapters of the same gospel.

Point 5. One last but very important thing to add to this subject, Jesus was quoted as having said, "12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now." If this is true, does this not mean that Jesus could not possibly have fulfilled the prophecy that reads, "...he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him." Deut 18:18 (KJV) Jesus could not finish telling his people what God commanded him to speak because his people were not ready to bear the heat. That's the whole reason Muḥammad was sent to a people that was ready to bear the heat of God's words. Muḥammad was indeed the way to Allah, the truth, and no man meets Allah except by whatever else He and all other Messengers of Allah represent.

In conclusion, in proper context, Mike, who can disagree that Jesus, a Messenger of Allah, would say such a thing? I believe that Jesus did say that, just as all Messengers of Allah admit to who and what they represent.

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NK's POST

Surah Al Qasas (History)

28:48 Now that the truth has come to them from us, they said, "If only we could be given what was given to Moses!" Did they not disbelieve in what was given to Moses in the past? They said, "Both (scriptures) are works of magic that copied one another." They also said, "We are disbelievers in both of them."

28:49 Say, "Then produce a scripture from GOD with better guidance than the two, so I can follow it, if you are truthful."

28:50 If they fail to respond to you, then know that they follow only their own opinions. Who is farther astray than those who follow their own opinions, without guidance from GOD? GOD does not guide such wicked people.

Nono,
John 14:16: "And I will ask the Father, and He will give
you another Counselor to be with you forever."
You say that the comforter is Muhummud. Where is he now?

Mike

Nono,

John 1:18 (King James Version)


18No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Only Jesus can be the authentic messenger!
Mike

Tell me what was the 'Message' of your Messenger, CLEARLY!
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We don't need Muhammad the way you want him to be with us. He is with us as a best example of Allah's Final Teachings...The UNCHANGED QURAN...

Well..If he is not here , no one else is here and if Jesus is here then all the prophets are here because of Quran...

Bring anything BETTER than QURAN, and I'm ready to believe in it..but don't become a FALSE PROPHET of this time....

Can't you 'see' what you've become because of your false beliefs..!

And ...one thing more ..this time don't bring any references form the 'survival kit'...THE LAW OF DAVID/MOSES...to support your Messenger...Thx.

'll see you soon...

A reference from NK's recent post:

A COMFORTER (Faarkuleet)
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He says, "if I go not away, the παράκλητος paraklētos will not come unto you..." A paraklētos is one who advocates, but in the original meaning Paraklētos is "One who is highly praised," and as a result of this great praise, he is called "Wonderful, Counsellor" Isaiah 9:6 (KJV) In the 6th Century such a man with the same exact name was born. He was also deemed to be "Wonderful, Counsellor" by those who knew him. In fact, his name comes from the Akkadian root √ḥmd which filtered down into it's descendant languages of Hebrew and Arabic means "praise." In Arabic, when you see the particle "mu-" attached to a word, you can almost always count on that word as referring to a person. This man I mention had that particle attached to the root in his name. His name, as the author of John prophesies precisely, is Muḥammad, "One who is highly praised."


QURAN reminds us that REAL JESUS a.s. foretold his people about Muhammad s.a.w. Who's another NAME is AHMAD = THE ONE WHO PRAISE.(Muhammad= Highly Praised One)


[61:6] And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: "O Children of Israel! I am the apostle of God (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of an Apostle to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad." But when he came to them with Clear Signs, they said, "this is evident sorcery!"

Waiting for you to continue with the REAL MESSAGE OF JESUS a.s. besides..."I am a son of God"...or "I am a God".."my mother..is a Mother of God" or perheps "A wife of God"...or "a God"...or "We all three ar GODS"....etc...etc..etc......

Silent,
You are closing a door that God had opened for you> Was it a coincidence that we both had that ark in mind?
Mike

No...no...not again!!! I heard your Mom calling now.."Hey Mikey..stop 'playing god' now..it's bed time.......

See you later...!!!!!!!!!!!

:)

Hi Mike...get up!

I challenge you on behalf of The Qur'an- A Book Of Revelation- The Last Testament-THE-ARK

Please provide any references like the following ,from the New Testament..that constitute the similar CLAIM AND THE PROOF, like the one mentioned below.

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Part I

Self-Evidence:
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Surah Al-Barooj:

85:21] Bal huwa qur-anun majeedun بَلْ هُوَ قُرْآنٌ مَّجِيدٌ

Rather, this is a Glorious Qur'an,


[85:22] Fee lawhin mahfoothin فِي لَوْحٍ مَّحْفُوظٍ

(Inscribed) in a Tablet Preserved!

(Y.Ali)

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CLAIM: This Glorious Quran is a PRSERVED MESSAGE.

PROOF: The Quran is UNCHANGED and had survived in its ORIGINAL FORM for centuries ...on PAPERS ...in HEARTS OF HAFEZEEN, MIRACULOUSLY!!!!!

Part II

Rewards:
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Surah Al-Nesa

4:69

وَمَن يُطِعِ اللّهَ وَالرَّسُولَ فَأُوْلَـئِكَ مَعَ الَّذِينَ أَنْعَمَ اللّهُ عَلَيْهِم مِّنَ النَّبِيِّينَ وَالصِّدِّيقِينَ وَالشُّهَدَاءِ وَالصَّالِحِينَ وَحَسُنَ أُولَـئِكَ رَفِيقًا

All who obey Allah and the messenger are in the company of those on whom is the Grace of Allah,- of the prophets (who teach), the sincere (lovers of Truth), the witnesses (who testify), and the Righteous (who do good): Ah! what a beautiful (Y.Ali)

Those who obey GOD and the messenger belong with those blessed by GOD - the prophets, the saints, the martyrs, and the righteous. These are the best company.(Khalifa)


[4:70] ذَلِكَ الْفَضْلُ مِنَ اللّهِ وَكَفَى بِاللّهِ عَلِيمًا ہے

Such is the bounty from Allah: And sufficient is it that Allah knoweth all. (Y Ali)

Such is the blessing from GOD; GOD is the best Knower.(Khalifa)


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CLAIM: Those who follow Allah and the Messenger (Muhammad s.a.w) will be Blessed with the ranks according to their RIGHTEOUSNESS , IN HEAVEN.

PROOF: Muslims strive and are encouraged to strive...individually to WIN the company of the REWARDED ONES in Hereaftter and do not want to have the WORDLY GOALS, ONLY ....

Part III

Regarding Sins nad Repentence:
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فَٱعۡلَمۡ أَنَّهُ ۥ لَآ إِلَـٰهَ إِلَّا ٱللَّهُ وَٱسۡتَغۡفِرۡ لِذَنۢبِكَ وَلِلۡمُؤۡمِنِينَ

وَٱلۡمُؤۡمِنَـٰتِ‌ۗ وَٱللَّهُ يَعۡلَمُ مُتَقَلَّبَكُمۡ وَمَثۡوَٮٰكُمۡ

47:19 So know (O Muhammad) that there is no God save Allah, and ask forgiveness for thy sin and for believing men and believing women. Allah knoweth (both) your place of turmoil and your place of rest.
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وَٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ وَعَمِلُواْ ٱلصَّـٰلِحَـٰتِ وَءَامَنُواْ بِمَا نُزِّلَ عَلَىٰ مُحَمَّدٍ۬ وَهُوَ ٱلۡحَقُّ مِن رَّبِّہِمۡ‌ۙ كَفَّرَ عَنۡہُمۡ سَيِّـَٔاتِہِمۡ وَأَصۡلَحَ بَالَهُمۡ

47:2 Those who believe and work righteousness, and believe in what was sent down to Muhammad - which is the truth from their Lord - He remits their sins, and blesses them with contentment.
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وَٱلَّذِى جَآءَ بِٱلصِّدۡقِ وَصَدَّقَ بِهِۦۤ‌ۙ أُوْلَـٰٓٮِٕكَ هُمُ ٱلۡمُتَّقُونَ (٣٣) لَهُم مَّا يَشَآءُونَ عِندَ رَبِّہِمۡ‌ۚ ذَٲلِكَ جَزَآءُ ٱلۡمُحۡسِنِينَ (٣٤) لِيُڪَفِّرَ ٱللَّهُ عَنۡہُمۡ أَسۡوَأَ ٱلَّذِى عَمِلُواْ وَيَجۡزِيَہُمۡ أَجۡرَهُم بِأَحۡسَنِ ٱلَّذِى ڪَانُواْ يَعۡمَلُونَ


39:33 As for those who promote the truth, and believe therein, they are the righteous.
39:34 They will get everything they wish, at their Lord. Such is the reward for the righteous.
39:35 GOD remits their sinful works, and rewards them generously for their good works.

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وَلَا تَزِرُ وَازِرَةٌ۬ وِزۡرَ أُخۡرَىٰۚ وَإِن تَدۡعُ مُثۡقَلَةٌ إِلَىٰ حِمۡلِهَا لَا يُحۡمَلۡ مِنۡهُ شَىۡءٌ۬ وَلَوۡ كَانَ ذَا قُرۡبَىٰٓۗ إِنَّمَا تُنذِرُ ٱلَّذِينَ يَخۡشَوۡنَ رَبَّہُم بِٱلۡغَيۡبِ وَأَقَامُواْ ٱلصَّلَوٰةَۚ وَمَن تَزَكَّىٰ فَإِنَّمَا يَتَزَكَّىٰ لِنَفۡسِهِۚۦ وَإِلَى ٱللَّهِ ٱلۡمَصِيرُ



35:18 No soul can carry the sins of another soul. If a soul that is loaded with sins implores another to bear part of its load, no other soul can carry any part of it, even if they were related. The only people to heed your warnings are those who reverence their Lord, even when alone in their privacy, and observe the Contact Prayers (Salat). Whoever purifies his soul, does so for his own good. To GOD is the final destiny.
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يَـٰٓأَيُّہَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ لَا تَخُونُواْ ٱللَّهَ وَٱلرَّسُولَ وَتَخُونُوٓاْ أَمَـٰنَـٰتِكُمۡ وَأَنتُمۡ تَعۡلَمُونَ (٢٧) وَٱعۡلَمُوٓاْ أَنَّمَآ أَمۡوَٲلُڪُمۡ وَأَوۡلَـٰدُكُمۡ فِتۡنَةٌ۬ وَأَنَّ ٱللَّهَ عِندَهُ ۥۤ أَجۡرٌ عَظِيمٌ۬ (٢٨) يَـٰٓأَيُّہَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوٓاْ إِن تَتَّقُواْ ٱللَّهَ يَجۡعَل لَّكُمۡ فُرۡقَانً۬ا وَيُكَفِّرۡ عَنڪُمۡ سَيِّـَٔاتِكُمۡ وَيَغۡفِرۡ لَكُمۡ‌ۗ وَٱللَّهُ ذُو ٱلۡفَضۡلِ ٱلۡعَظِيمِ (٢٩)


8:27 O you who believe, do not betray GOD and the messenger, and do not betray those who trust you, now that you know.
8:28 You should know that your money and your children are a test, and that GOD possesses a great recompense.
8:29 O you who believe, if you reverence GOD, He will enlighten you, remit your sins, and forgive you. GOD possesses infinite grace.

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إِن تَجۡتَنِبُواْ ڪَبَآٮِٕرَ مَا تُنۡہَوۡنَ عَنۡهُ نُكَفِّرۡ عَنكُمۡ سَيِّـَٔاتِكُمۡ وَنُدۡخِلۡڪُم مُّدۡخَلاً۬ كَرِيمً۬ا (٣١)


4:31 If you refrain from committing the gross sins that are prohibited for you, we will remit your sins, and admit you an honorable admittance.

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CLAIM: Allah is the God of all of us .We can ask for forgiveness DIRECTLY.He is jugding us INDIVIDUALLY. No PRIESTS ARE REQUIRED- NO CONFESSIONS TO ANYBODY!

Muhammad s.a.w was asked to pray for his Ummah (Community).

Allah can even REPLACE the SINS with HASANAAT (Virtues)

PROOF: Muslims do not FEAR anyone except Allah-The GOD.

Mike ..I think the above 'three aspects' are just ENOUGH for us to meet the challenge..regarding TRUE ARK...I need to go now..am very busy today...Take your time..and 'fight it'!

Good Luck!

:)

Man, you are so self righteous!

where's the humility? don't they have that in Abraham's religion?

God is God
the rest is fluff and stuffing
men arguing with men
ridiculous and puny

Dawn

Woman...you are too judgmental...and self-contradictory...!


SOME OF THE MIKE’S POSTS:

27/02/10

I guess you missed that part of the bible that says Issac would take presedence over Ismael. Those decendents of abraham are of the true faith. All who put their trust in jesus are abrahams seed. It was jesus who was raised from the dead not Mohamed. It was Jesus who bled not mohamed. It is Jesus who justifies not mohomed. It is Jesus who is the divine one not mohamed. It was Jesus who is God in the flesh not mohomed.
There is no other name under heaven whereby we must be saved, the name Christ Jesus.

His Disciple

25/03/10

The Koran is not really nothing more than a legend about a fantastic ideology. In fact the Koran is just another in a long line of forgeries. With no verifiable significance from the historical community this document cannot be trusted since there is no way of verifying it. There are no historical accounts from historians or any real witnesses to trust the veracity to this as being anything more than a mythical story invented by another false teacher. And how then can it be trusted. Most likely people tampered with its message over the ages? With no historical veracity is falls by the wayside of dead ends to truth. The real truth that we glean from the Koran is that of a misguided man who was nothing more than a megalomaniac in love with his own self centered hero worship. A legend in his own mind, who raped many children fathering more illegitimate children than a so called holy man would care to be known for. The only appeal to its signature as truth is the claimed that the Koran is somehow equal and eternal with God himself. HA! HA! HA! HA! How are you going to prove this! Oh! Because Mr. Mahomet says so! You don’t really expect anybody who is searching for truth to believe this do you??? To be fair with you I will give you something to chew on:

And

Lastly; all honest Moslems are called on to believe, for they cannot consistently disbelieve, that these Scriptures are the inspired "Word of God" (كلام الله) "that they are a light to lighten Mankind," (نوراً وهدى للناس) "an illumination and admonition to the Pious" (ضياً وذكراً للمتقين); in fine, that they are calculated to lead those that follow their precepts into the way of peace, and make them wise unto salvation. Why, then, will they neglect so precious a source of spiritual benefit as (the Corân itself being judge) exists in the Old and New Testaments, and shut themselves out from their illumination? Let them search the Scriptures diligently, and they will find the whole tenor of those sacred Books to be "that God is in Christ reconciling the world unto Himself";— that Jesus is "the Way, the Truth, and the Life"; "This is life eternal, that they might know Thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom Thou hast sent."

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I encourage all readers to justify the situation, themselves! (Kindly go thru the Topic Only Religion, also)

This Man Mike is sooooooooo self-obsessed that he never ever have read the replies given to him and could never answer the raised questions, properly...

This man , Mike has been so prejudice that he never attempted to spell Muhammad and Quran ,properly....

This man, Mike has been wasting all the time in arguing for argument sake, only....

This man, Mike has been behaving like a false prophet..by suggesting that he thinks QURAN was just UN-NECESSARY...

This man. Mike has now appeared in a form of False God..with an ARK OF HIS OWN.....for which he himself is not sure ..which direction is it sailing in...

This man, Mike calls himself a DISCIPLE OF JESUS...

'A' JESUS who only knew that he was/is a God and his mother was 'is a God too...

This is strange that you (Dawn) never bring up anything USEFUL, except your JUDGEMENTS....

Which God do you believe in.....or are you going to make a similar claim too....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Silent,

In the Gospel of Luke 4:14-30, Jesus reads a text from Isaiah 61:1
1 The Spirit of the Sovereign LORD is on me,
because the LORD has anointed me
to preach good news to the poor.
He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted,
to proclaim freedom for the captives
and release from darkness for the prisoners, [a]
,
After reading the scripture, Jesus takes his seat. All eyes are upon him, waiting for his exposition of the text. Here is how Jesus’ sermon started: "Today this Scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing." The time that the faithful people of God have been waiting for has arrived. The time is now! What a statement! God’s salvation has now arrived! The blessings of God are being poured out on his people today!

To appreciate what is happening, it is useful to understand the synagogue service order. We have ancient Jewish sources like the Mishnah that tells us how synagogue services were run in ancient times. The congregation would recite Deuteronomy 6:4-9, which was called the Shema. The scripture begins, "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one. You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might." After reciting the Shema, they would share in prayer and singing songs. After the prayer and songs there was a reading from the Law of Moses and then a reading from the Prophets. Once the readings were completed, there would be an exposition of the text that usually would tie the readings together. The service closed with a benediction, the pronouncing of a blessing on the people.

Now we can understand what is going on here in Luke 4. The scroll of the prophet Isaiah is given to Jesus. We are in the part of the synagogue service where the prophets were read. Jesus opens the scroll to Isaiah 61. This passage in Isaiah was predicting the coming of the Messiah, who would bring salvation to the nation. The figure of Isaiah brings a message of God’s deliverance to the exiles. The Spirit of the Lord being upon this Messianic figure means that he would be God’s designated servant with a special task given by God. The Messiah was not going to be a self-proclaimed messiah, but one designated by God .

This sermon leads the people to a conflict. The people are amazed at his gracious words, but they are troubled because they know who Jesus is. Jesus is in Nazareth. They know his parents and they watched Jesus grow up. Jesus has now placed upon himself the Isaiah 61 scripture, declaring himself to be the prophesied servant that Isaiah spoke about. The people are thinking, "Wait a minute! We know who you are. You can’t be the one! You are not messianic material!" Mark’s account records the words of the people. "Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary and brother of James and Joses and Judas and Simon? And are not his sisters here with us?" (Mark 6:3). Essentially, "You cannot be the one! Your family is right here!" Luke shortens this thought process with the concise, "Is not this Joseph’s son?" So Jesus preached a good sermon, but they did not accept the point Jesus made. You see the people were willing to accept another prophet figure like Jesus who had been making a statement through his many miracles and signs. But when He made himself into the fulfillment of the Messianic messenger of Isaiah they just would not hear of it! Isn't this the same response you have toward Jesus!

Mike

Silent,

HOW CONVIENIENT OF YOU TO QUOTE ME OUT OF CONTEXT!! YOU HAVE TO LIE ABOUT MY INTENTIONS TO JUSTIFY YOUR SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS!

DAWN AT LEAST SHOULD KNOW THAT EXCERPT YOU QUOTED ME SAYING WAS IN REPONSE TO A DEBATE WITH NONO. NOT YOU ! SO IT SEEMS YOU YOURSELF DID NOT READ THE ENTIRE POST!

AND BY THE WAY HOW IS IT YOU OR ANYBODY FOR THAT MATTER FROM THIS FORUM TAKES THE RIGHT TO SUPRESS AND DENIGRATE THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION WITH NO THOUGHT ON HOW INSULTING IT IS TO ME BUT WHEN ANYBODY SAYS ANYTHING AT ALL ABOUT YOUR IDEOLOGY YOU ARE READY TO TAKE UP ARMS! YOUR SELF RIGHTEOUS ATTITUDE WILL NOT GUARANTEE YOU A PLACE AT THE TABLE WITH ABRAHAM! IF YOU HAD BELIEVED ABRAHAM YOU WOULD HAVE BELIEVED IN HIS MESSIANIC MESSAGER JESUS . I WILL LET THE BIBLE SPELL IT OUT FOR You!

"If you were Abraham's children," said Jesus, "then you would[d] do the things Abraham did. 40As it is, you are determined to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things. 41You are doing the things your own father does."
"We are not illegitimate children," they protested. "The only Father we have is God himself."

The Children of the Devil
42Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me. 43Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. 44You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! 46Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don't you believe me? 47He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God."

GO AHEAD TELL THE LIE TO EVERYONE WHO IS NOW LISTENING SILENT. TELL THEM YOU LOVE JESUS! JESUS SAID, IF YOU LOVE ME YOU WOULD KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS! YOU CAN’T DO IT! OR YOU WON’T DO IT IS THE REAL REASON!!

Muhammad s.a.w. was told to say this too...

[3:31] Say: "If ye do love God, Follow me: God will love you and forgive you your sins: For God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."

Allah says even if your parents force you to worship anyone else beside Allah...don't OBEY your parents...

[31:15] "But if they strive to make thee join in worship with Me things of which thou hast no knowledge, obey them not; yet bear them company in this life with justice (and consideration), and follow the way of those who turn to me (in love): in the end the return of you all is to Me, and I will tell you the truth (and meaning) of all that ye did."

And....take a chill pill...Mike Dear...!

The point isn't this ..that whom you replied to..obviously people know what was NK's style to handle you ...who challenged your New Testament...the point is..that YOU also have INSLUTED QURAN AND MUHAMMAD...a lot!!!!!!!!

Under this new topic you are trying to become a prophet of God ar God by yourself...irrationally..

If you REALLY BELIEVE in the GOD OF ABRAHIM you must SUBMITT TO GOD ALONE...not to Jesus or Muhammad...

This close relative of you called DAWN always 'appear' at a point where she either provokes HATE or FLATTERY....

Having done her job she dispappears!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

She is sailing in TWO BOATS...of her own two contradictory sides...She is not in yours or our ARK either...everyone knows..

Now coming back to the CHALLENGES:

I am not challenging who is righteous or who is not...Allah knows very well what we all are doing here...

I challenged you on behalf of Quran, itself...QURAN CHALLENGES EVERYONE who says it is not from GOD or MUHAMMAD lied about it..

I will soon be posting what GREAT CHRISTIANS have written about OUR PROPHET...don't miss it...

For now..I don't think anything you quoted from your holy book which was not directly written, matches or is even close to any of those messages of Quran I referred...

1- Quran is a PRESERVED MESSAGE...for centuries ..without any corruptions.
It is the ONLY BOOK which can be MEMORIZED by a HUMAN MIND...only a fool will DOUBT IT...

(try to memorize 'your book'...ask Dawn..with IQ 140..I make it easy for you..try in English ..your first language...not in it's original..)

2-God offers GREAT REWARDS for MUSLIMS WHO STRIVES FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS...

3- God FORGIVES EVERYONE who REPENTS...DIRECTLY..He even REPLACES SINS with VIRTUES......

What is the Message of 'your' JESUS..?

Remember:

1- Muslims know/love/follow a JESUS THRU QURAN..

2- That JESUS was a strict observer of ABRAHIMIC RELIGION

3- That JESUS never said 'I AM GOD" or "MY MOTHER IS GOD"

4- That JESUS died a NATURAL DEATH , peacfully

5-That JESUS was a SIGN for JEWS who started possessing GOD'S RELIGION.

6- That JESUS will NEVER come back!!!!!!!!

ADVISE: COME BACK TO THE TRUE RELIGION OF GOD, YOURS AND OURS.
..OR GET READY FOR MORE CHALLENGES....

otherwise...keep harping the same tune...no one cares...

Good Luck to you and your supporters...

S.

NEXT CHALLENGE

To Mike and Dawn

Describe 'God' please!

Mike ..according to the New Testament ONLY!

Dawn...Which ever way you like...because you said you believe in a God without any religion!


Thanks


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To readers: We have been quoting form Quran about God,under the topic ONLY RELIGION before..yet it doesn't seems 'enough'....

Using mere words I will describe God but it will do no good for He cannot BE described.

Light from the darkness
no heat
no color
no form
source hidden from mere eyes

spring rain falling through the leaves of a tree
so does God fall on me, through me, feeds me by soaking the ground I am bound to
and sets me to SOAR

a lone bird wheeling through a blameless blue sky
so God is my Heaven and my wonder and my freedom

the laughter of a child in a mother's arms
so does God delight me, protect me, comfort me

the Great Wheel of Heaven burning in the velvet night
as I lay on my back looking up
so does God entice me, lift me, increase my knowledge and my world

I close my eyes now, seeking that which I have never known...
for a moment I feel a great push and when I open my eyes I see the blue wonder of my world falling away behind me and, for just the briefest moment, I stare out into the universe
as it stares back
just as God stares at me; just as I stare back;I am full of longing to know all His treasures, His wonders, His creation
but
what can He possibly want from me?

only everything
and this I give with great joy
there are no boundaries, no fears, no pain, no agonies

all this is God...but God is not this

now you have what words I posses and a few tears cried during the writing
is this enough, or do you need more?

Dawn

Your sneers are hurtful Silent yet I sense you are also in pain.

why do you insist on the argument when the agreement is so much more...joyful?

why do you insist that Mike answer to you? Why do you dismiss my understanding of God because I hold no book to my breast?

why are you so angry?

Dawn

Should I not DEFEND the the honour of my faith when someone challenges its authenticity?

42:20 Whoever desires the gain of the hereafter, We will give him more of that again; and whoever desires -- the gain of this world, We give him of it, and in the hereafter he has no portion.

42:21 Or have they associates who have prescribed for them any religion that Allah does not sanction? And were it not for the word of judgment, decision would have certainly been given between them; and surely the unjust shall have a painful punishment.


94:5 With pain there is gain.
94:6 Indeed, with pain there is gain.

Silent, You need to calm down . I think you are taking yourself too seriously!

Are you joking!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[2:111] Some have said, "No one will enter Paradise except Jews or Christians!" Such is their wishful thinking. Say, "Show us your proof, if you are right."

[2:120] Neither the Jews, nor the Christians, will accept you, unless you follow their religion. Say, "GOD's guidance is the true guidance." If you acquiesce to their wishes, despite the knowledge you have received, you will find no ally or supporter to help you against GOD.

[2:135] They said, "You have to be Jewish or Christian, to be guided." Say, "We follow the religion of Abraham - monotheism - he never was an idol worshiper."

[3:67] Abraham was neither Jewish, nor Christian; he was a monotheist submitter. He never was an idol worshiper.

[2:140] Do you say that Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Patriarchs were Jewish or Christian? Say, "Do you know better than GOD? Who is more evil than one who conceals a testimony he has learned from GOD? GOD is never unaware of anything you do."

[5:18] The Jews and the Christians said, "We are GOD's children and His beloved." Say, "Why then does He punish you for your sins? You are just humans like the other humans He created." He forgives whomever He wills and punishes whomever He wills. To GOD belongs the sovereignty of the heavens and the earth, and everything between them, and to Him is the final destiny.

ALLAH!

24:35 Allah is the light of the heavens and the earth; a likeness of His light is as a niche in which is a lamp, the lamp is in a glass, (and) the glass is as it were a brightly shining star, lit from a blessed olive-tree, neither eastern nor western, the oil whereof almost gives light though fire touch it not -- light upon light -- Allah guides to His light whom He pleases, and Allah sets forth parables for men, and Allah is Cognizant of all things.

ALLAH!

112:0 In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.
112:1 Say: He, Allah, is One.
112:2 Allah is He on Whom all depend.
112:3 He begets not, nor is He begotten.
112:4 And none is like Him.

[2:256] There is no compulsion in religion; truly the right way has become clearly distinct from error; therefore, whoever disbelieves in the Shaitan and believes in Allah he indeed has laid hold on the firmest handle, which shall not break off, and Allah is Hearing, Knowing.
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109:6 You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion.

Wassalaam o alaikum wa rahmatullah!

S.

Silent,
1 Timothy 6:16
God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen.

Mike

Silent,

Regarding Sins nad Repentence:
47:19 So know (O Muhammad) that there is no God save Allah, and ask forgiveness for thy sin and for believing men and believing women. Allah knoweth (both) your place of turmoil and your place of rest.
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47:2 Those who believe and work righteousness, and believe in what was sent down to Muhammad - which is the truth from their Lord - He remits their sins, and blesses them with contentment.

In 47:19 you say> ask for forgiveness for sins from Allah

In 47: 2 you say >those who believe and work righteousness have their sins remitted.

In 39:33 you say>As for those who promote the truth, and believe therein, they are the righteous.
Then what about>Isaiah 64:6 All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all ...
When we display our righteous deeds, they are nothing but filthy rags. ... and all our righteousness is as a polluted garment: and we all fade as a leaf;
Which is it? DOES HE FORGIVE SINS BY YOUR ASKING FOR FORGIVENESS OR DO YOUR WORKS BRING YOU FORGIVENESS?

Regarding a sin bearer:

You say>35:18 No soul can carry the sins of another soul.
What about Isiaah 53:10 >Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

In 8:27 you say>O you who believe, do not betray GOD and the messenger, and do not betray those who trust you, now that you know.
Then what about Isiaah chapter 61:1 The messianic messenger who christ claimed to be in the gospel of luke chapter 4: 16-21.
Mike

[2:284] To GOD belongs everything in the heavens and the earth. Whether you declare your innermost thoughts, or keep them hidden, GOD holds you responsible for them. He forgives whomever He wills, and punishes whomever He wills. GOD is Omnipotent.

35:45] If GOD punished the people for their sins, He would not leave a single creature on earth. But He respites them for a predetermined interim. Once their interim is fulfilled, then GOD is Seer of His servants.
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5:75

ما المسيح ابن مريم الا رسول قد خلت من قبله الرسل وامه صديقة كانا ياكلان الطعام انظر كيف نبين لهم الايات ثم انظر اني يؤفكون
مَّا الْمَسِيحُ ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ إِلاَّ رَسُولٌ قَدْ خَلَتْ مِن قَبْلِهِ الرُّسُلُ وَأُمُّهُ صِدِّيقَةٌ كَانَا يَأْكُلاَنِ الطَّعَامَ انظُرْ كَيْفَ نُبَيِّنُ لَهُمُ الْآيَاتِ ثُمَّ انظُرْ أَنَّى يُؤْفَكُونَ
Christ the son of Mary was no more than a messenger; many were the messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how Allah doth make His signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth!

3:144

ا وَمَا مُحَمَّدٌ إِلاَّ رَسُولٌ قَدْ خَلَتْ مِن قَبْلِهِ الرُّسُلُ أَفَإِن مَّاتَ أَوْ قُتِلَ انْقَلَبْتُمْ عَلَى أَعْقَابِكُمْ وَمَن يَنقَلِبْ عَلَى عَقِبَيْهِ فَلَن يَضُرَّ اللّهَ شَيْئًا وَسَيَجْزِي اللّهُ الشَّاكِرِينَ
Muhammad is no more than a messenger: many Were the messenger that passed away before him. If he died or were slain, will ye then Turn back on your heels? If any did turn back on his heels, not the least harm will he do to Allah; but Allah (on the other hand) will swiftly reward those who (serve Him) with gratitude.

61:14 O ye who believe ! be helpers of ALLAH, as said Jesus, son of Mary, to his disciples, `Who are my helpers in the cause of ALLAH ?' The disciples said, `We are helpers of ALLAH.' So a party of the Children of Israel believed while a party disbelieved. Then WE aided those who believed against their enemy, and they became predominant.

Matthew 5:45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.

Matthew 5:9 "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.

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John 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,
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Romans 8:16 The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God,
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Romans 8:19 For the anxious longing of the creation waits eagerly for the revealing of the sons of God.
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Romans 9:8 That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants.
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Romans 9:26 "AND IT SHALL BE THAT IN THE PLACE WHERE IT WAS SAID TO THEM, 'YOU ARE NOT MY PEOPLE,' THERE THEY SHALL BE CALLED SONS OF THE LIVING GOD."
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2 Corinthians 6:18 "And I will be a father to you, And you shall be sons and daughters to Me," Says the Lord Almighty.
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Galatians 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
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Galatians 5:18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.
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1 John 3:1 See how great a love the Father has bestowed on us, that we would be called children of God; and such we are. For this reason the world does not know us, because it did not know Him.
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Revelation 21:7 "He who overcomes will inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be My son


Hosea 1:10 Yet the number of the sons of Israel Will be like the sand of the sea, Which cannot be measured or numbered; And in the place Where it is said to them, "You are not My people," It will be said to them, "You are the sons of the living God."