King Snake Roost
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King Snake Roost were one of a number of Australia
n and International guitar-based bands who emerged from within the punk rock
and post-punk scene of the mid 1980s that came to be defined as noise rock
. King Snake Roost formed in 1985 in Adelaide
and in 1987 the band moved to Sydney
. The band broke up in 1990 after a two month tour of the USA. In Australia and the USA the band played with some of the most influential noise rock bands of the 1980s, including Sonic Youth
, Big Black
, Mudhoney
, Helmet
, Babes In Toyland
, Lubricated Goat
, feedtime
and The Mark of Cain. KSR played at some prestigious 1980s US venues, including, CBGB
and Maxwell's
.
of Mudhoney
and he recorded with Lubricated Goat
. During 1989 he recorded the Tumor Circus
album with members of Steel Pole Bathtub and Jello Biafra
of the Dead Kennedys
. He also played on both Bushpig records with Steve Turner
and Mark Arm
of Mudhoney
Trigger, vocals.
Michael Raymond, bass.
George Klestines, drums, formerly of Grong Grong and Perdition.
Peter Hill, vocals & feed harp, also a member of Bushpig.
Bill Bostle, drums, was also a member of Half.
Michael Raymond, bass.
It was this line up that recorded the first KSR release From Barbarism to Christian Manhood.
For a brief time after Michael Raymond left bass duties were handled by 'Uncle Egon' (the band's name for the pre-recorded bass parts played back off tape), most notably for the Adelaide University Union
show with Big Black
. Dave Taskas of Grong Grong also played bass at a small number of shows in Melbourne
.
Peter Hill, vocals, guitar, feed harp.
Bill Bostle, drums.
David Quinn, bass, also a member of Deathless, and previously of Madroom.
This line up was responsible for all subsequent King Snake Roost recordings, and the USA tour.
Peter Hill, vocals.
Gene Rivet, bass.
Craig Rossi, drums, who also played in Box Of Fish.
This version of the band was short-lived.
Dave Boyne, member of legendary 1960s garage band The Missing Links.
Adrian Symes, aka 'Sax Adrian', who played with many bands during the 1980s.
Tom Sturm, of feedtime
.
Michael Farkas, bassist from Grong Grong.
Recorded at Sound Barrier Studios Sydney during Easter of 1987 From Barbarism To Christian Manhood was originally released on Aberrant Records. It was re-released on the Minneapolis label Amphetamine Reptile Records
in 1989.
Originally released on Aberrant Records. Re-issued on Amphetamine Reptile Records
in 1989.
Recorded during the band's two month tour of the USA in 1989 at Smart Studios
, Madison
, Wisconsin
, and produced by Butch Vig
of Garbage
. Smart Studios
and Butch Vig
are known for producing Nirvana
's Nevermind
. This album was never released locally in Australia.
Recorded at Sound Barrier at the same time as From Barbarism To Christian Manhood.
Recorded in 1987 at Sound Barrier Studios. A-side Top End Killer, b-side is A Storm Brewin.
Around this time the band recorded a split single with feedtime
called More Than 1 Bob, released on Aberrant Records. KSR covered the feedtime
song more than love and feedtime
covered the KSR song Buffalo Bob. During 1987-1989 both bands regularly played together at Sydney venues like the Palace Hotel. At the Palace Peter Hill of KSR would often join feedtime
on stage to sing Buffalo Bob.
A cover of the Alice Cooper
song recorded at Sound Barrier Studios in 1987. Another split single with Adelaide band Bloodloss covering Ike & Ike & Tina Turner's
Nutbush City Limits
.
In 1989 or 1990 the band recorded a cover of the Kiss
song "I Want You". This song was released by Waterfront Records
on the Kiss covers album Hard to Believe: Kiss Covers Compilation
(cat: DAMP-121). Other bands on the compilation include Nirvana
, The Melvins
, and The Hard-Ons. The album was later released by C/Z Records
(cat: CZ-024) and Southern Records
(cat: DAMP-121).
The KSR song Zippo was recorded at Smart Studios
and produced by Butch Vig
. This compilation also includes tracks by Surgery, The Cows
and Tad
.
A 7' flexi released was by Bob Magazine (issue 34) in 1989.
Australia
Australia , officially the Commonwealth of Australia, is a country in the Southern Hemisphere comprising the mainland of the Australian continent, the island of Tasmania, and numerous smaller islands in the Indian and Pacific Oceans. It is the world's sixth-largest country by total area...
n and International guitar-based bands who emerged from within the punk rock
Punk rock
Punk rock is a rock music genre that developed between 1974 and 1976 in the United States, the United Kingdom, and Australia. Rooted in garage rock and other forms of what is now known as protopunk music, punk rock bands eschewed perceived excesses of mainstream 1970s rock...
and post-punk scene of the mid 1980s that came to be defined as noise rock
Noise rock
Noise rock describes a style of post-punk rock music that became prominent in the 1980s. Noise rock makes use of the traditional instrumentation and iconography of rock, but incorporates atonality and especially dissonance, and also frequently discards usual songwriting conventions.-Style:Noise...
. King Snake Roost formed in 1985 in Adelaide
Adelaide
Adelaide is the capital city of South Australia and the fifth-largest city in Australia. Adelaide has an estimated population of more than 1.2 million...
and in 1987 the band moved to Sydney
Sydney
Sydney is the most populous city in Australia and the state capital of New South Wales. Sydney is located on Australia's south-east coast of the Tasman Sea. As of June 2010, the greater metropolitan area had an approximate population of 4.6 million people...
. The band broke up in 1990 after a two month tour of the USA. In Australia and the USA the band played with some of the most influential noise rock bands of the 1980s, including Sonic Youth
Sonic Youth
Sonic Youth is an American alternative rock band from New York City, formed in 1981. The current lineup consists of Thurston Moore , Kim Gordon , Lee Ranaldo , Steve Shelley , and Mark Ibold .In their early career, Sonic Youth was associated with the No Wave art and music scene in New York City...
, Big Black
Big Black
Big Black was an American punk rock band from Evanston, Illinois, active from 1981 to 1987. Founded by singer and guitarist Steve Albini, the band's initial lineup also included guitarist Santiago Durango and bassist Jeff Pezzati, both of Naked Raygun...
, Mudhoney
Mudhoney
Mudhoney is an American alternative rock band. Formed in Seattle, Washington, in 1988 following the demise of Green River, Mudhoney's members are vocalist and rhythm guitarist Mark Arm, lead guitarist Steve Turner, bassist Guy Maddison, and drummer Dan Peters. Original bassist Matt Lukin left the...
, Helmet
Helmet (band)
Helmet is an alternative metal band from New York City formed in 1989. Founded by vocalist and lead guitarist Page Hamilton, Helmet has had numerous lineup changes, and Hamilton has been the only constant member....
, Babes In Toyland
Babes in Toyland (band)
Babes in Toyland was an American alternative rock band formed in Minneapolis, Minnesota in 1987. The band was formed by Oregon native Kat Bjelland , with Lori Barbero and Michelle Leon , who was later replaced by Maureen Herman in 1992...
, Lubricated Goat
Lubricated Goat
Lubricated Goat was an Australian noise rock band of the 1980s.They achieved brief notoriety for playing on a television program naked, wearing only their instruments and shoes...
, feedtime
Feedtime
feedtime was an independent postpunk rock trio from Sydney, Australia, formed in 1979. The name is spelled with a lowercase f. The members were credited by their first names only: Rick , Al , and Tom ....
and The Mark of Cain. KSR played at some prestigious 1980s US venues, including, CBGB
CBGB
CBGB was a music club at 315 Bowery at Bleecker Street in the borough of Manhattan in New York City.Founded by Hilly Kristal in 1973, it was originally intended to feature its namesake musical styles, but became a forum for American punk and New Wave bands like Ramones, Misfits, Television, the...
and Maxwell's
Maxwell's
Maxwell's is a music club in Hoboken, New Jersey that also has a restaurant. The intimate venue often attracts a wide variety of acts looking for a change from the New York City concert spaces across the river.-History:...
.
1985-1986
Charlie Tolnay, guitar, was also a founding member of the seminal Adelaide post punk band Grong Grong. For a brief time he was in blues-punk band Bloodloss with Guy MadisonGuy Madison
Guy Madison was an American film and television actor.-Early life:Born Robert Ozell Moseley in Pumpkin Center, California, Madison attended Bakersfield College, a junior college, for two years and then worked briefly as a telephone lineman before joining the United States Coast Guard in...
of Mudhoney
Mudhoney
Mudhoney is an American alternative rock band. Formed in Seattle, Washington, in 1988 following the demise of Green River, Mudhoney's members are vocalist and rhythm guitarist Mark Arm, lead guitarist Steve Turner, bassist Guy Maddison, and drummer Dan Peters. Original bassist Matt Lukin left the...
and he recorded with Lubricated Goat
Lubricated Goat
Lubricated Goat was an Australian noise rock band of the 1980s.They achieved brief notoriety for playing on a television program naked, wearing only their instruments and shoes...
. During 1989 he recorded the Tumor Circus
Tumor Circus
Tumor Circus was a collaboration between Jello Biafra and members of Steel Pole Bath Tub and Grong Grong. They released one self-titled album in 1991.-Track listing:#"Hazing For Success" – 9:03#"Human Cyst" - 3:26#"The Man With The Corkscrew Eyes" - 4:05...
album with members of Steel Pole Bathtub and Jello Biafra
Jello Biafra
Jello Biafra is an American musician, spoken word artist and leading figure of the Green Party of the United States. Biafra first gained attention as the lead singer and songwriter for San Francisco punk rock band Dead Kennedys...
of the Dead Kennedys
Dead Kennedys
Dead Kennedys are an American punk rock band formed in San Francisco, California in 1978. The band became part of the American hardcore punk movement of the early 1980s. They gained a large underground fanbase in the international punk music scene....
. He also played on both Bushpig records with Steve Turner
Steve Turner (guitarist)
Steve Turner is an American guitarist, most famous for his work with Seattle band Mudhoney.-Biography:Turner was born in 1965 in Houston, Texas. His first band was called The Ducky Boys. The line up included future Pearl Jam member Stone Gossard. The Ducky Boys split around 1983.Turner later found...
and Mark Arm
Mark Arm
Mark Arm is the vocalist for the grunge band Mudhoney. He is also credited with coining the term "grunge" to describe his style of rock music...
of Mudhoney
Mudhoney
Mudhoney is an American alternative rock band. Formed in Seattle, Washington, in 1988 following the demise of Green River, Mudhoney's members are vocalist and rhythm guitarist Mark Arm, lead guitarist Steve Turner, bassist Guy Maddison, and drummer Dan Peters. Original bassist Matt Lukin left the...
Trigger, vocals.
Michael Raymond, bass.
George Klestines, drums, formerly of Grong Grong and Perdition.
1986-1987
Charlie Tolnay, guitar.Peter Hill, vocals & feed harp, also a member of Bushpig.
Bill Bostle, drums, was also a member of Half.
Michael Raymond, bass.
It was this line up that recorded the first KSR release From Barbarism to Christian Manhood.
For a brief time after Michael Raymond left bass duties were handled by 'Uncle Egon' (the band's name for the pre-recorded bass parts played back off tape), most notably for the Adelaide University Union
Adelaide University Union
The Adelaide University Union was founded in 1895. The AUU currently funds six affiliated bodies. These include the Adelaide University Student Representative Council , Student Care, the Clubs Association , the Roseworthy Agricultural Campus Student Union Council , and the Waite Institute...
show with Big Black
Big Black
Big Black was an American punk rock band from Evanston, Illinois, active from 1981 to 1987. Founded by singer and guitarist Steve Albini, the band's initial lineup also included guitarist Santiago Durango and bassist Jeff Pezzati, both of Naked Raygun...
. Dave Taskas of Grong Grong also played bass at a small number of shows in Melbourne
Melbourne
Melbourne is the capital and most populous city in the state of Victoria, and the second most populous city in Australia. The Melbourne City Centre is the hub of the greater metropolitan area and the Census statistical division—of which "Melbourne" is the common name. As of June 2009, the greater...
.
1987-1989
Charlie Tolnay, guitar.Peter Hill, vocals, guitar, feed harp.
Bill Bostle, drums.
David Quinn, bass, also a member of Deathless, and previously of Madroom.
This line up was responsible for all subsequent King Snake Roost recordings, and the USA tour.
1989-1990
Charlie Tolnay, guitar.Peter Hill, vocals.
Gene Rivet, bass.
Craig Rossi, drums, who also played in Box Of Fish.
This version of the band was short-lived.
Guests
Lachlan McLeod, a member of Salamander Jim and Thug, amongst others.Dave Boyne, member of legendary 1960s garage band The Missing Links.
Adrian Symes, aka 'Sax Adrian', who played with many bands during the 1980s.
Tom Sturm, of feedtime
Feedtime
feedtime was an independent postpunk rock trio from Sydney, Australia, formed in 1979. The name is spelled with a lowercase f. The members were credited by their first names only: Rick , Al , and Tom ....
.
Michael Farkas, bassist from Grong Grong.
Albums
- From Barbarism To Christian Manhood 12" LP (Aberrant Records cat: Slither 1) - 1987
- From Barbarism To Christian Manhood 12" LP CS (Amphetamine Reptile RecordsAmphetamine Reptile RecordsAmphetamine Reptile Records is a nationally renowned record label which was founded in 1986 by then-US Marine Tom Hazelmyer in Washington State, US The label is best-known for its roster of noise rock artists, and its Dope, Guns 'n' Fucking In The Streets series of compilations.-History:Hazelmyer...
cat: ARR89166) - 1989
Recorded at Sound Barrier Studios Sydney during Easter of 1987 From Barbarism To Christian Manhood was originally released on Aberrant Records. It was re-released on the Minneapolis label Amphetamine Reptile Records
Amphetamine Reptile Records
Amphetamine Reptile Records is a nationally renowned record label which was founded in 1986 by then-US Marine Tom Hazelmyer in Washington State, US The label is best-known for its roster of noise rock artists, and its Dope, Guns 'n' Fucking In The Streets series of compilations.-History:Hazelmyer...
in 1989.
- Things That Play Themselves 12" LP (Aberrant Records cat: ?) - 1988
- Things That Play Themselves 12" LP (Amphetamine Reptile RecordsAmphetamine Reptile RecordsAmphetamine Reptile Records is a nationally renowned record label which was founded in 1986 by then-US Marine Tom Hazelmyer in Washington State, US The label is best-known for its roster of noise rock artists, and its Dope, Guns 'n' Fucking In The Streets series of compilations.-History:Hazelmyer...
cat: ARR89168) - 1989
Originally released on Aberrant Records. Re-issued on Amphetamine Reptile Records
Amphetamine Reptile Records
Amphetamine Reptile Records is a nationally renowned record label which was founded in 1986 by then-US Marine Tom Hazelmyer in Washington State, US The label is best-known for its roster of noise rock artists, and its Dope, Guns 'n' Fucking In The Streets series of compilations.-History:Hazelmyer...
in 1989.
- Ground Into The Dirt 12" LP, CD, CS (Amphetamine Reptile RecordsAmphetamine Reptile RecordsAmphetamine Reptile Records is a nationally renowned record label which was founded in 1986 by then-US Marine Tom Hazelmyer in Washington State, US The label is best-known for its roster of noise rock artists, and its Dope, Guns 'n' Fucking In The Streets series of compilations.-History:Hazelmyer...
cat: ARR89189) - 1990
Recorded during the band's two month tour of the USA in 1989 at Smart Studios
Smart Studios
Smart Studios was a recording studio located at 1254 E Washington Ave in Madison, Wisconsin. It was set up in 1983 by Butch Vig and Steve Marker to produce local bands....
, Madison
Madison, Wisconsin
Madison is the capital of the U.S. state of Wisconsin and the county seat of Dane County. It is also home to the University of Wisconsin–Madison....
, Wisconsin
Wisconsin
Wisconsin is a U.S. state located in the north-central United States and is part of the Midwest. It is bordered by Minnesota to the west, Iowa to the southwest, Illinois to the south, Lake Michigan to the east, Michigan to the northeast, and Lake Superior to the north. Wisconsin's capital is...
, and produced by Butch Vig
Butch Vig
Butch Vig is an American musician and record producer, best known internationally as the drummer of the Madison, Wisconsin-based alternative rock band Garbage and the producer of multi-platinum selling album Nevermind by Nirvana....
of Garbage
Garbage (band)
Garbage are an alternative rock band formed in Madison, Wisconsin in 1994. The group consists of Scottish singer Shirley Manson and American musicians Duke Erikson , Steve Marker and Butch Vig . All four members are involved in songwriting and production...
. Smart Studios
Smart Studios
Smart Studios was a recording studio located at 1254 E Washington Ave in Madison, Wisconsin. It was set up in 1983 by Butch Vig and Steve Marker to produce local bands....
and Butch Vig
Butch Vig
Butch Vig is an American musician and record producer, best known internationally as the drummer of the Madison, Wisconsin-based alternative rock band Garbage and the producer of multi-platinum selling album Nevermind by Nirvana....
are known for producing Nirvana
Nirvana (band)
Nirvana was an American rock band that was formed by singer/guitarist Kurt Cobain and bassist Krist Novoselic in Aberdeen, Washington in 1987...
's Nevermind
Nevermind
Nevermind is the second studio album by the American rock band Nirvana, released on September 24, 1991. Produced by Butch Vig, Nevermind was the group's first release on DGC Records...
. This album was never released locally in Australia.
Singles
- Raw Cuts 7" Single (Satellite Records cat: Raw 4) 1987
Recorded at Sound Barrier at the same time as From Barbarism To Christian Manhood.
- Top End Killer 7" Single (Aberrant Records cat: snuffed 1)
Recorded in 1987 at Sound Barrier Studios. A-side Top End Killer, b-side is A Storm Brewin.
Splits
- More Than 1 Bob 7" Single (Aberrant Records cat: MX 214299?)
Around this time the band recorded a split single with feedtime
Feedtime
feedtime was an independent postpunk rock trio from Sydney, Australia, formed in 1979. The name is spelled with a lowercase f. The members were credited by their first names only: Rick , Al , and Tom ....
called More Than 1 Bob, released on Aberrant Records. KSR covered the feedtime
Feedtime
feedtime was an independent postpunk rock trio from Sydney, Australia, formed in 1979. The name is spelled with a lowercase f. The members were credited by their first names only: Rick , Al , and Tom ....
song more than love and feedtime
Feedtime
feedtime was an independent postpunk rock trio from Sydney, Australia, formed in 1979. The name is spelled with a lowercase f. The members were credited by their first names only: Rick , Al , and Tom ....
covered the KSR song Buffalo Bob. During 1987-1989 both bands regularly played together at Sydney venues like the Palace Hotel. At the Palace Peter Hill of KSR would often join feedtime
Feedtime
feedtime was an independent postpunk rock trio from Sydney, Australia, formed in 1979. The name is spelled with a lowercase f. The members were credited by their first names only: Rick , Al , and Tom ....
on stage to sing Buffalo Bob.
- School's OutSchool's Out (song)Female pop duo Daphne & Celeste, released a cover of the song in 2000. The chorus is based on Alice Cooper's hit of the same name, and some other elements of that song have been retained, although much of the song is "original", in a pop-rap style...
/ Nutbush City LimitsNutbush City Limits"Nutbush City Limits" is a semi-autobiographical rock and roll song written and originally performed by Tina Turner in which she commemorates her rural hometown of Nutbush, Tennessee. Released June 1973, shortly before her separation from then-husband and musical partner Ike Turner, "Nutbush City...
7" Single (Aberrant Records cat: Crack 1)
A cover of the Alice Cooper
Alice Cooper
Alice Cooper is an American rock singer, songwriter and musician whose career spans more than four decades...
song recorded at Sound Barrier Studios in 1987. Another split single with Adelaide band Bloodloss covering Ike & Ike & Tina Turner's
Tina Turner
Tina Turner is an American singer and actress whose career has spanned more than 50 years. She has won numerous awards and her achievements in the rock music genre have led many to call her the "Queen of Rock 'n' Roll".Turner started out her music career with husband Ike Turner as a member of the...
Nutbush City Limits
Nutbush City Limits
"Nutbush City Limits" is a semi-autobiographical rock and roll song written and originally performed by Tina Turner in which she commemorates her rural hometown of Nutbush, Tennessee. Released June 1973, shortly before her separation from then-husband and musical partner Ike Turner, "Nutbush City...
.
Compilations
- Hard to Believe: Kiss Covers CompilationHard to Believe: Kiss Covers Compilation-Various labels:Waterfront Records DAMP-121 Southern Records DAMP-121 Records C/Z Records CZ-024 -External links:* Amazon...
12" LP, CD - 1990
In 1989 or 1990 the band recorded a cover of the Kiss
KISS (band)
Kiss is an American rock band formed in New York City in January 1973. Well-known for its members' face paint and flamboyant stage outfits, the group rose to prominence in the mid to late 1970s on the basis of their elaborate live performances, which featured fire breathing, blood spitting,...
song "I Want You". This song was released by Waterfront Records
Waterfront Records
Waterfront Records was an independent record label based in Sydney, that released recordings by some of Australia's most influential bands of the 1980s and 1990s.-History:...
on the Kiss covers album Hard to Believe: Kiss Covers Compilation
Hard to Believe: Kiss Covers Compilation
-Various labels:Waterfront Records DAMP-121 Southern Records DAMP-121 Records C/Z Records CZ-024 -External links:* Amazon...
(cat: DAMP-121). Other bands on the compilation include Nirvana
Nirvana (band)
Nirvana was an American rock band that was formed by singer/guitarist Kurt Cobain and bassist Krist Novoselic in Aberdeen, Washington in 1987...
, The Melvins
The Melvins
The Melvins are an American band that formed in 1983. They usually perform as a trio, but in recent years have performed as a four piece with two drummers. Since 1984, singer and guitarist Buzz Osborne and drummer Dale Crover have been the band's constant members...
, and The Hard-Ons. The album was later released by C/Z Records
C/Z Records
C/Z Records is a Seattle-based record label that was established in early 1985 by Chris Hanzsek and Tina Casale with the release of the now-legendary, Deep Six LP, which collected the earliest recordings of the real pro-genitors of what later came to be known as grunge...
(cat: CZ-024) and Southern Records
Southern Records
Southern Records is an independent record label closely associated with Crass Records, Corpus Christi Records and Dischord Records. It is based in London and previously had offices in Chicago , Le Havre and Berlin .Southern was originally a recording studio owned and operated by John Loder...
(cat: DAMP-121).
- Dope, Guns Fucking In The Streets Volume 3 7" (Amphetamine Reptile RecordsAmphetamine Reptile RecordsAmphetamine Reptile Records is a nationally renowned record label which was founded in 1986 by then-US Marine Tom Hazelmyer in Washington State, US The label is best-known for its roster of noise rock artists, and its Dope, Guns 'n' Fucking In The Streets series of compilations.-History:Hazelmyer...
cat: Scale 18) - 1989 - Dope, Guns Fucking In The Streets Volume 1-3 LP/CD (Amphetamine Reptile RecordsAmphetamine Reptile RecordsAmphetamine Reptile Records is a nationally renowned record label which was founded in 1986 by then-US Marine Tom Hazelmyer in Washington State, US The label is best-known for its roster of noise rock artists, and its Dope, Guns 'n' Fucking In The Streets series of compilations.-History:Hazelmyer...
cat: ARR89172) - 1990 - Dope, Guns And Fucking up Your Video Deck VHS & DVD (Amphetamine Reptile RecordsAmphetamine Reptile RecordsAmphetamine Reptile Records is a nationally renowned record label which was founded in 1986 by then-US Marine Tom Hazelmyer in Washington State, US The label is best-known for its roster of noise rock artists, and its Dope, Guns 'n' Fucking In The Streets series of compilations.-History:Hazelmyer...
)
The KSR song Zippo was recorded at Smart Studios
Smart Studios
Smart Studios was a recording studio located at 1254 E Washington Ave in Madison, Wisconsin. It was set up in 1983 by Butch Vig and Steve Marker to produce local bands....
and produced by Butch Vig
Butch Vig
Butch Vig is an American musician and record producer, best known internationally as the drummer of the Madison, Wisconsin-based alternative rock band Garbage and the producer of multi-platinum selling album Nevermind by Nirvana....
. This compilation also includes tracks by Surgery, The Cows
The Cows
Cows are a post-hardcore/punk blues band from Minneapolis, Minnesota. The band formed in 1987 and disbanded in 1998. They were known for a unique mixture of punk rock and blues played with large amounts of noise and surreal humour; their music is often considered noise rock...
and Tad
Tad (band)
Tad was an American grunge band from Seattle, Washington led by Tad Doyle. Among the first of the many bands which came out of Seattle in the grunge era, Tad was notable for the fact that its music had a noticeable 1970s metal influence, rather than the punk which influenced most other grunge bands...
.
A 7' flexi released was by Bob Magazine (issue 34) in 1989.