Time travel
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windy138
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I will think about that you say. It's useful. Thanks !

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palmedazur
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In your dreams you can travel anywhere in seconds impossible with your physical body. But yes in deep meditation one can travle evn to other planets and even planets can be seen which are not visible with the eye,although its not wise to
do that atonce but after years of practicing and step by step little by little.

Maybe you should look deeperinto mysticism Rosicrucians for exampleto understand this better. Also peoplelike Newton where members of esoteric orders to find a way to understand the micro cosmos.
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When you say micro cosmos, are you saying that when we meditate we can travel to other planets known and unknown-in our telescopic universe or some other microscopic universe that we have not studied yet? Because I have not heard of a microscopic universe, nor have I read about it other than studying germs. Please inform me.
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palmedazur
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What I tried to say is that we only except what we can see with the physical I, although people like Newton could not see the atoms, they through meditation, where aware of how it could be so created a then unknown world which later became visible. So I am sure there are planets we cannot see that are even as close as the moon, but are not physical there for your eyes, but only when one is a true meditation Master become visible for the spiritual eye and are as real as a physical planet like the moon. Life is ONLY consciousness, where material things are more compressed, that why in mysticism there is a saying that one should give up his ego to understand that everything is ONE coming from the same source. But most iportant maybe is to underatnd that EVERYTHING is consciousness, but whe are in a vacuum of a very limited consciousness because we care so much about our ego. All natures secrets that mankind has 'reveiiled' of discovered where ofcourse NO secrets they where already created in a evoluting created world, we just where given the opportunity to rediscover it but saddly many times misabused those secrets for power an control, so EGO again! So when one walks alone in the woods, quit, not wanting or (if possible) thinking anything, the voice of silence speaks to us and connects us with the source...but this is not easy to explain....it is also called Akasha...try to find this word and maybe from there you could understand what I try to explain.
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GigaMaster
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There are no planets between here and the moon. Please keep posts on topic. It is very frustrating to those who want a real discussion on time travel. This is not a metaphysical post. In other words, no altered state thinking. Just real physical science.
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palmedazur
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In the answer lies your consciousness and that you are not aware the Great Minds like Einstein etc. used Mysticism to find the answers on there questions which you, unfortunately, think is phsyco babbel. There is NO real physical science without using consciousness but maybe that too frustrating for you to understand. Relax!
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GigaMaster
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I understand u perfectly, and you make a lot of interesting points. However like I stated before, this forum deals with the physical part of science. Therefore your debate on whether time travel can occur by meditation and other such methods would best be debated on some other kind of post. Getting off topic almost always leads to random wild tangents. Again is time travel physically possible??? We'll leave that for others to decide.
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There has been someone who showed up claiming to have traveled to the year 2036 and back. John Titor. You can visit the website johntitor.com. It's somewhat interesting. In fact, from time to time, coast to coast radio discusses him and speaks to his mother. He has made predictions, by the way.
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lehmann520
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So basically you are saying that only physical science can be discussed here and imaginative or metaphysical cannot.
Since it is not physically possible to travel in time, you are saying

end of discussion

did a tin hat come with your scepter oh god of the thread?
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I think they are all still on the subject of time travel and whatever is related to it. why can't we talk about what relates to time travel? Another example of my thoughts is - why make physical science a religion in which you put all your faith in like a god. Not everyone agrees with all the theories in physical science either.
Can't we apply quantum physics to physical science? Since everything is relative-you cannot prove that we are off the subject.
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tBoone
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As I have previously stated, the "Multiverse" concept of time travel is not time travel at all. It is "alternate universe" travel, whatever that means. Not only that, but using the Many Worlds interpretation of quantum physics, you could never return to the universe that you came from! This concept is plain lunacy! It is a ludicrous concept to accept, as there seems to be an uncountable & unimaginable number of universes out there that can be spawned at best on a whim or at worst for every quantum event available in the Multiverse. This concept borders on insanity but it is backed by mathematics.

Nonetheless, it is still accepted in the scientific community. What is not accepted by that community is childish banter about dreams, mysticism, meditation, etc. This is not science and belongs elsewhere.
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Earthseed
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Actually, the number of universes may not be entirely uncountable - I've heard that there are 10^500 possible universe, which I certainly wouldn't like to try counting, but maybe a petabyte computer could do it eventually! ;)
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GigaMaster
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I agree with tboone. the multiuniverse theory and time travel should not be in the same forum. Fantasy science and the actual discussion of time travel do not mix.
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However,physical science is something which can be studied whether true or not but meditation is supposed to be direct experience of physical science. Being aware of all that is around you. very relational!
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tBoone
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"Actually, the number of universes may not be entirely uncountable - I've heard that there are 10^500 possible universe"

And you heard this where? Poppycock! This is someone's arbitrary assertion based on speculation based on conjecture. Sorry, doesn't fly.
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Earthseed
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Well, I'm not sure which string theory discussion it was, maybe Lisa Randall's book, "Warped Passages," or perhaps it was Michio Kaku's "Parallel Universes," I don't have either right here in front of me, so I can't be sure which.
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tBoone
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Regardless of the number of possible universes, the MWI of quantum physics does not allow for true time travel to the past. Also, it has a problem with infinite regression.
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exhan443
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Yes. Till now most of the things that people could not imagine thousands of years ago are accomplished now. Who said time travel is not possible? We technically are time traveling every day. You go through the years, months, days, hours, minutes and seconds every day. You could see what happened in the past, from scientific evidence to your imagination.
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Time travel makes no sense without ultimate universe coordinates (if there are like that).
If you are speaking about time travel (*faster or slower one) your point of view is so earth-oriented I feel bizzare...
You have to look deeper...
1. You move back/forward in time and you find yourself in 2400 AD or BC on Earth, happy ? That's wrong...
2. you do it again and found yourself 2400 AD or BC in your solar system (149 mln km's from SUN), happy? But it's still wrong...
3. you again run your time machine, jumped into the same time frame again in... (or out of) solar system, completly astonished seeing somewhere your sun in the space, happy? But it's still wrong...
4. you do this again and see your Milky Way by the space window, happy? but it is still wrong...

The truth is if you will try to come back, you will see from far away your home planet (traveling with speed of light or through worm hole with ultra straight curvature )
, but you will miss it traveling straight back the path you just travelled. Light travels without gravitional influence (only black hole can do that). You are out of any trajectory
currently used and known in space.
You will miss your Earth, Solar system, Galactic, the farther you will travel and when want to come back the same way.


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tBoone
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"Till now most of the things that people could not imagine thousands of years ago are accomplished now."
Not at all. People have ALWAYS been able to imagine things that are both possible and impossible. This hasn't changed.

"Who said time travel is not possible? We technically are time traveling every day."
That's correct: "time travel" to the future is possible. It's time travel to the past that is not. Why? Because it is in and of itself a contradiction. No amount of of time or technology can undo a contradiction.

"...ultimate universe coordinates..."
No such thing; not possible.
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florian
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"Time travel" into the past is not possible though the argument that if it where we would be visited by people from the future makes no sense. If(a big if) you could travel in the past would you let this be known to people from the past? You would run the risk of being unborn are even causing the extinction of the human race. I would think the society that came up with time travel would have more sense than that.
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gerryhiles
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No, it is not.

There is no such 'thing' as 'time' (nor 'space').

These concepts are products of our minds, as Kant correctly said ... or go read what Newton and Hume had to say about how we translate our "feelings and emotions" into actually non-existent 'substances', e.g. Hume on 'heat'.

I don't know why, considering Einstein apparently read Kant, he reified 'time' as a 'substance', but he got it wrong.

Certainly clocks - even atomic ones - slow when under acceleration, but that has nothing to do with time-in-itself.

Time-in-itself (Kant) is just us.

In the days when I got involved is what passes for 'philosophy' these days, I got to hear and see all sorts of weird stuff.

For instance (at Sydney University) a packed hall of mainly female students treating a professor (sophist) as a guru - a few even sitting at his feet - as he went on and on about "string theory", "black holes", "alternative universes" and all that stuff beloved by science fiction writers.

But here is the clincher, unless you reject everything Orwell had to say about "double-think" and the murder of language/the terms of discourse.

By very definition 'universe' means "everything that is".

There is no 'alternative'.

It is one thing - very legitimate - to say we do not know all about "everything that is". But it is absurd to cover our ignorance with "alternative universes" in which anything might happen, including 'time travel'.

Time drags/slows when we are bored, or speeds/disappears altogether when we are intent on something.

Of course clocks slow, under acceleration.

A pendulum will stop swinging, even your heart will miss a beat when in a fast elevator.

Of course you (and I of course) can revisit history (as far as we know it) in our own minds, but outside that what is done is done and cannot be undone.

By all means enjoy fantasies created by H G Wells and the writers of "Dr Who" (I do), but don't treat science fiction as fact.

"Time Travel" is totally impossible.
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Starfire62Red
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In simplest terms if you had a "machine" that allowed you to back in time or forward in time I believe this would be impossible, per se, if you went back 100 years could the people there see you? I think not, because you would be from the future and for them, the future hasn't happened yet! Similarily, if you tried to go forward in time I believe this would be impossible because for you, the future hasn't happened yet. Suppose that you lived at or near Cape Canaveral Florida and one day you watched a spaceship being launched and this spaceship would be equipped with ion propulsion engines that would allow itto go near the speed of light. Then the spaceship returned one year later. Very little would probably have changed in your town, but what with the astronauts? Because of their great speed they may have felt that theywere going into the future but on seeing the town pretty much as it was on the day that they left it would be apparent that they didn't go into a future after all.
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Starfire62Red
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I'll go along with that! Ibelieve that the reason why no one has ever visited us from the future is because for us, the future hasn't happened yet, so how could an entity of any sort come from something that hasn't happened yet?
Those ideas do make good science fiction stories though.
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Cigarshape
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I agree with you and many others that physical time travel is impossible. Gerryhiles I like your line spacing idea, some folks need to learn how to inset the odd paragraph break!

There is a mode of time travel discovered by the CIA in their project Star Gate, as discussed in David Morehouse's 'Psychic Warrior' book. He trained to be a Remote Viewer like many others, some featured in Channel 4 TV's documentary.

By using the spirit, (which we all have) you can escape the body and not only travel to any location in the universe, you can also move in time. Scary stuff and not for the faint-hearted. It was originally thought to be a useful military tool, but failed to meet accuracy standards. Viewing is still employed by police searching missing people and investigating bombings.

If people cannot accept that we are all essentially spirits, I can only say how sad!
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danielpassi
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Other than Einstein's velocity-related "time travel", which wouldn't have any practical use, physical time travel is impossible. However, mental time travel is indeed possible and it has been completed by a select few of musicians, normal people, and wannabe computer programmers. Also, it can only take place between people, or groups of people existing in different times (two people living at the same point in time can't mentally time travel without collaborating with someone in the past or future). A high IQ is needed to initiate this sort of time travel, and an open mind is also required. However, to be visited by a mental time traveler, or to mentally travel into a different time you just need to have an open mind. Of course, there are so few mental time travelers that you or I have a miniscule chance of ever taking a voyage through time or interacting with a guest from a different time.
In the not-so-distant past there have been collaborations across time. A time travel "initiator" would find out how to initiate time travel and do so, with an open-minded person or people from his/her past being the receivers. It is possible for the initiator to complete physical work that will be done in the past, with the help of whoever from their past is collaborating with them. The collaboration, once completed, can physically be released back in the time period that the time travel "receivers" were working on it in. There aren't any laws that keep you from collaborating with people before you were born. There are logical laws that govern such work and time travel in general. If through time travel you create a product that is released before you were born, let's say you thought it up on January 22nd, 1980, you wouldn't be able to see the product or be influenced by it in any noticeable way until January 22nd, 1980 (not even if it was released in 1850). Also it is impossible to travel back in time to give yourself hints. If you had those hints in the first place, you would have no reason to (later) time travel back and give yourself those hints, creating a paradox. So it just doesn't happen. Before time traveling, a time traveler can, on purpose, forget information in order to be able to change more of the past. On the other end of the spectrum, if a time traveler has ever used a product, it is impossible for them to later come up with that product, time travel into the past, and release that product. Location is irrelevant to whether or not time travel takes place, as the initiator(s) and receiver(s) could be in completely different places and the difference in space (as well as time, to a certain extent) would have no effect on the mental connection(s) between those two times through which time travel is happening. There is a webpage that describes initiating time travel. It involves the bending of light. Most of the article is crap, but the ninth paragraph down makes sense, if you are able to think of it with an open mind http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/index.php? title=Flux_Capacitor&oldid=4611290 (no space between the question mark and title).
I'm not sure what book it was I got this from, but sometime in the past 200 years a person claimed that he had been out in the middle of a rice field (or corn field, some sort of field; I don't remember where exactly) and had gone into a different state of consciousness (not daydreaming or sleeping), and traveled back in time hundreds or thousands of years. He claims he interacted with natives of that area that were alive centuries before he was born. Language wasn't a problem as the natives communicated with him directly and taught him about themselves and their ancient society. He moved across time without moving physically. (There was no one else in the field with him in his time) So in my honest opinion time travel has been done before and is possible, but with more people knowing more about the past each day, it will eventually become impossible to make any major changes via time travel.
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tBoone
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@ Gerryhiles: Where do I begin...
"There is no such 'thing' as 'time' (nor 'space')." Observation says otherwise. Whether you believe it or not, time & space are very much real.

"I don't know why, considering Einstein apparently read Kant, he reified 'time' as a 'substance', but he got it wrong."
Einstein never defined time as a "substance." He spoke of spacetime which is not a substance. Also, Einstein believed that reality might be an illusion: "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." -Albert Einstein.

"Certainly clocks - even atomic ones - slow when under acceleration, but that has nothing to do with time-in-itself. "
Wrong: it has EVERYTHING to do with time.

"By very definition 'universe' means 'everything that is'.
There is no 'alternative'. "
Couldn't agree with you more.

"Time drags/slows when we are bored, or speeds/disappears altogether when we are intent on something."
That is incorrect. Our perception of time drags/slows when we are bored, or speeds/disappears altogether when we are intent on something. The key is perception of time but NOT time itself.

"'Time Travel' is totally impossible."
Only to the past, but not the future.

@Cigarshape,
No credible law enforcement or government agency will employ viewing for searching missing people and investigating bombings. When they did, their track record was worse or at best equal to good-old detective work.

Forward time travel has been verified again, and again, and again...
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DineshKotwal
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Dear Mr. Gerryhiles,
You appear to be right. I have met persons who have told me the exact location where I was seen by them well in advance by years together, with certain specific people(including their names/height/sex etc. Similarly for Past too.

Could you please elaborate/guide me further in this field. Any books or literature/ authentic website etc on the subject? I'm located in India.

Time/Space etc. appear to be our own creation whereas actually, they may all be existing at all times as a single dimension with no past or future dimensions.
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This is a pretty odd argument. Because you haven't seen a time traveller that proves that they don't exist.

Does that mean that the earths core doesn't exist, or electrons don't exist ? I'm presuming that you haven't visited the centre of the earth, or managed to 'see' an electron 'the actual particle, not it's perceived effects'

If time travel is possible, and I certainly don't know either way, anyone form the future who was capable of travelling through time would certainly be aware of the much publicised 'grandfather anomaly' and I wopuld suspect that they would do anything to preserve the timeline which results in their future existence, assuming of course that it is possible to distort or fracture the 'timeline' (whatever that is).

My point is that if anyone had visited this or any other time period form the future we would almost certainly not know about it. That very knowledge earlier than it would have happened without time travel would be of itself a disaster. Imagine for a second if we invented time travel today and went back to around 220BC and took some of todays technology, and a knowedge of carthaginian, and offered Hanibal say gunpowder, steam powered ships, even perhaps hot air balloons (all acheivable with the materials of the day) Is it not likely that Rome would have been defeated and Britain was never invaded, etc. Suppose our TimeTraveller came from Britain, and traces his family back to a common ancestor who came over to Briatain with the invading Roman army of 40 AD (ish) Guess what our time travellers ancestor would not have been born and therefore nor would he.....

I guess that any time travleer from the future would not interact with anything or anyone, and would only be able to observe form afar !!!
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alexei
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Of course we all are time travelers. but we can't travel backward or forward and we can say that theoritically but there is nothing to prove this kind theories.
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spacesailor
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I enjoy at night watching the past, when i keep observing stars.
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athony619
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Well i believe time traveling is possible in a sense of how do we know if we have ever been visited by time travelers from our future if they have choose to desguise themselves as one of us or chosen to just watch the past and maybe are waiting for the right moment to change the past to make there future better,
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gerryhiles
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In an earlier refutation of 'time travel' I made mention of Kant, which no one seems to have followed up on, so here is a brief condense:


"The first part of the Critique, the 'Transcendental Aesthetic', has two objectives: to show that we have synthetic a priori knowledge of the spatial and temporal forms of outer and inner experience, grounded in our own pure intuitions of space and time; and to argue that transcendental idealism, the theory that spatiality and temporality are only forms in which objects appear to us and not properties of objects as they are in themselves, is the necessary condition for this a priori knowledge of space and time"

The rest can be Googled, or read directly.

Incidentally Newton made similar observations about how we form concepts about the world/universe from out of our own states of consciousness, and so did Hume. And bear in mind that we can NEVER know the world-in-itself, e.g. the world we 'see' is actually at the back of our brains in the occipital cortex.

As regards Einstein: his General Theory is the most relevant to this notion of 'time travel' because it deals with acceleration and under acceleration processes slow, e.g. a pendulum will stop swinging if a clock is accelerated.

If a person could be launched in a rocket and subject to constant acceleration for years and then returned to Earth, his bodily processes would have been slowed and so he would be 'younger' than those he left behind, but this has nothing to do with 'time'. It is to do with activity, process and what might best be called 'periodicity'.

In any event I refer you back to my first paragraph and say that until I read Kant - and others - I used to think along much the same lines as other people in this forum.
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tBoone
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@ gerryhiles:
Regarding your Kantian comments, you bring up a philosophical point, not a scientific one. Regardless, let's take these points and analyze:

"The first part of the Critique, the 'Transcendental Aesthetic', has two objectives: to show that we have synthetic a priori knowledge of the spatial and temporal forms of outer and inner experience, grounded in our own pure intuitions of space and time..."
For starters, if it is synthetic then it cannot come from the inside and thus not be pure intuition. Consequently, there is an inherent contradiction in this first part.


"...and to argue that transcendental idealism, the theory that spatiality and temporality are only forms in which objects appear to us and not properties of objects as they are in themselves, is the necessary condition for this a priori knowledge of space and time."
The only problem is that within this framework, we ONLY have access to the forms in which objects appear to us and NOT the forms or properties of objects as they are in themselves. Within this philosophical framework, one can even question whether the forms or properties of objects as they are in themselves even exists at all.

It wouldn't surprise me that an epistemological issue is not responded to in a physics forum. The fact that Newton was also a student of philosophy doesn't necessarily impact his contributions to physics. Einstein was quite the philanderer but that doesn't make Relativity any more or less valid.

You are aware that periodicity is how we measure time, right? You are also aware that pendulums are based on acceleration due to gravity, right? So it is not surprising to find that if you change the acceleration, you will affect the motion pendulum. But there are other clocks that DO NOT use pendulums or gravity assisted acceleration to keep time, and those too are affected by Relativity. So again, it stands that forward time travel is the status quo.
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gerryhiles
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Of course it is a philosophical discussion, how could it be otherwise?

Since when was 'time travel' scientific?

Where is the evidence? Where are the repeatable experiments?

In any case you miss my point by seizing on my mention of pendulums - the most simple 'thought experiment' ... the kind of thing that Einstein himself used to arrive at his theories, e.g. travelling in trains and space craft, which did not exist in his day. And,incidentally, despite a lot of effort to prove him right, it has not happened yet.

The Michelson-Morley experiment debunked the idea of an 'ether' and left a void, which Einstein 'filled' with 'time' as a kind of medium in which things happen.

In any case you missed my point that ALL processes slow under acceleration. Caesium atoms in an atomic clock slow.

Seems you come close to accusing me of solipsism whilst not really addressing what I actually wrote ... and why mention that Einstein was a philanderer? What is the point of that?

And why disparage philosophy, from which science arose?

Have you actually read Kant, Hume, Newton and others who are foundational to the sciences?

Beyond this I don't know how to reply to you, except to point out that this is NOT a 'physics forum', not by any stretch of the imagination. OH and what on earth do you mean by "forward time travel is the staus quo"?
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tBoone
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@ gerryhiles,

"Of course it is a philosophical discussion, how could it be otherwise?"
Have you heard of a field of study called physics?

"Since when was 'time travel' scientific? "
Oh! You haven't heard of a field of study called physics!

"Where is the evidence? Where are the repeatable experiments?"
I assume you know what the internet is...look it up! Relativity gets confirmed time and time again through a variety of experiments. I'll help. Google "What is the experimental basis of Special Relativity?" It is the first hit.

It says: "...At present, Special Relativity (SR) meets all of these requirements and expectations. There are literally hundreds of experiments that have tested SR,..." You can learn about physics there too!

"In any case you miss my point by seizing on my mention of pendulums - the most simple 'thought experiment' ... the kind of thing that Einstein himself used to arrive at his theories, e.g. travelling in trains and space craft, which did not exist in his day. And,incidentally, despite a lot of effort to prove him right, it has not happened yet."
So not only do you not know about physics, but you are also unaware of history! Trains and space craft did not exist in Einsteins time? Are you for real? Not only did trains exist BEFORE he was born, there was even a rocket that could reach space 11 years before he died!

"The Michelson-Morley experiment debunked the idea of an 'ether' and left a void, which Einstein 'filled' with 'time' as a kind of medium in which things happen."
Yes, but not because he thought "hey, let's substitute time for ether." He (nor anyone else) did NOT expect to find that space & time are intricately linked together. And it isn't time, it's spacetime.

"In any case you missed my point that ALL processes slow under acceleration. Caesium atoms in an atomic clock slow."
In any case, you missed the point that what that means is that time slows down: processes = time; time = change. Anyways, the acceleration is a moot point because the time differences between the stationary & moving clocks vary based on HOW long the moving clock was traveling at a relativistic speed and NOT how long it was accelerating.

"Seems you come close to accusing me of solipsism whilst not really addressing what I actually wrote ... and why mention that Einstein was a philanderer? What is the point of that? "
Tit for tat: something pointless for something pointless. Why don't you elaborate what you really wrote?

"And why disparage philosophy, from which science arose?"
Not disparaging it at all. I rather love the subject. Just not the place for it in a scientific forum.

"Have you actually read Kant, Hume, Newton and others who are foundational to the sciences?"
And how!

"Beyond this I don't know how to reply to you, except to point out that this is NOT a 'physics forum', not by any stretch of the imagination."
Astronomy, astrophysics, physics. Seems pretty obvious.

"OH and what on earth do you mean by "forward time travel is the staus quo?"
We progress through time in one direction: into the future, hence forward time travel. I do not like the term "traveling time", as time isn't really something that you travel.

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OK, you are right, albeit that ad hominen remarks don't exactly support your case.

In any event I give up even though, as it happens, I know a fair bit about physics and of course trains were invented in Einsteins' day - I meant only spacecraft.

Whatever I withdraw and leave you to it.
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Time travel is soo exciting if it could ever be done..

For me,as far as I pretty much concern,time travel (clairvoyance?) is theoritically possible,but practically absurd

You see,Universe is an ever-expanding space.Along with its expanse,the Timeline is also get longer and longer and longer.The time that never got negative advancing,leaving 'residue' of it's activity behind.That residue is the 'fuel' for Universe's expansion.

In other word,Universe cannot get bigger without Time,and Time cannot exists without Universe's expansion.They are mutual.

But then,the question of which came first baffled me.That's why I took religion as my answer,because I know,when the riddle is solved,I 100% believe that it would be God
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I think it is possible but we need to have more advanced technology for it.As scientists suggest there are wormholes by which we can travel faster than earth and go into the future but once we do it we will never be able to go back because I think if time travel will be possible we will only be able to go into the future. In einstein's theory of relativity it is said that in space as we travel,time on earth changes because in space we travel faster than the earth rotates and so if we can travel at speed of light then
I think time travel is possible.
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Museatlantis
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There are alot of problems around time travelling. Going and back and changing an event that you remember would cause huge trauma to the brain. The human body cannot withstand the effects of time travel for example going 40 years into the future in a single second it would turn the body to dust. The human mind cannot comprehend a time before it existed more than likely you would go insane.
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Wormholes are theoretical: they are possible solutions to certain equations; however, they have never been observed. Regardless, you don't need wormholes to travel to the future, you're already doing it right now! If you want to get to the future "faster" than someone else, then simply travel faster than they do! You don't need to travel at c, you only need to travel faster than something/one else: it's Relativity! What happens is that as you get closer to the ultimate speed c, you travel into the future more quickly. Additionally, you will also acquire more mass (E=mc2).

But you can never actually reach c, never mind exceed it. In order to reach c, you will require an infinite amount of energy; once you were to reach c, you will have acquired infinite mass! You'd take up the whole universe! You'd actually be the whole universe!

As far as the "brain trauma" and "dust" bit, that's a wonderful piece of science fiction. If you think that "the human mind cannot comprehend a time before it existed," then I guess you've never heard of history!
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In response to comments of Lisapruitt, I think we may also apply the same principle to so called Future too. This may explain future predictions/ clairvoyance etc. What do you say?
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It makes me wonder,humans,can they preserve their physique then?
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GigaMaster
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No. If we were able to travel faster than the speed of light or even close to it, our bodies would be crushed by the mass of gravity that would be forced on us.
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We have drifted from time travel to high speed travel. Two completely different things.

1) Time travel can only work without your body. It is not physically possible. Join David Morehouse in his Psychic Warrior courses and find the easy way to time travel. (I don't recommend you risk your sanity though).

"No. If we were able to travel faster than the speed of light or even close to it, our bodies would be crushed by the mass of gravity that would be forced on us."

2) No matter what your vehicle speed you barely feel its relative motion unless starting or stopping. Hyper-light speed travel must be possible, simply because other civilisations have been visiting us for eons. Who's to say what 'speed of light' is outside of our solar system anyway?

The main reason I am convinced of interstellar travel is from my own sighting of an interstellar craft. What other purpose could there be for a 1000ft long metal object (cigartube shape) able to hang silently in our atmosphere for at least half an hour? Hence my user name!

My 32x astronomical telescope revealed the detail of this sunlit bright spot of light at 20.30 on 3rd June 1965. All my family plus friends witnessed it. Other sightings have spotted smaller disk-shaped craft docking with this 'mother ship'.
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Time is impossible without high speed travel. One must go faster than the speed of light, so therefore time travel and high speed travel go hand in hand and are pretty much the same thing. At this time in our human development, it is impossible to move faster than that rate. Maybe since you have witnessed this "mother ship" of yours, your next step should possibly be to try to somehow communicate with them. As your words of first contact may I suggest you say, "Beam me up Scotty". :)
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No. An old Native American proverb states that you can walk across a stream only once.
If you think about it it is easy to understand that water rushing by only travels downstream and it does this one time.

Time travel would require the power to move water back to where it was, air where it came from, sun, planets, stars, constellations, in fact the entire universe would have to be reset to its original positions and down to the atoms' decay reconstituted in some manner.

No. Time travel is not possible... forward, maybe, bending space and time could allow you to leap ahead in time. The problem woud be the same as the marksman aiming at a target that is moving. Leaving a location before the target exists where it will be can be difficult. Maybe with a good computer, advanced mathematics, physics quantum mechanics? Or something we just haven't come up with...maybe.
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Absolutely! The Anti matter reaction of black holes gobble up positive matter untill the ammount of negative matter produced by the creation of (star collapse) the black hole is equal. the space/time ripple that is created by a black hole, is the gateway to travel. but, good luck finding one close enough to travel to.
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"We have drifted from time travel to high speed travel. Two completely different things."
Actually, they are one and the same!

"1) Time travel can only work without your body. It is not physically possible."
That's kind of ridiculous as "travel" and "time" are physical things.

"Join David Morehouse in his Psychic Warrior courses and find the easy way to time travel. (I don't recommend you risk your sanity though)."
Or you can watch the SyFy Channel, read a sci-fi book, etc. But if you want to stick to reality & not fantasy, then you'll need to avoid such nonsense.

"2) No matter what your vehicle speed you barely feel its relative motion unless starting or stopping."
Otherwise known as acceleration. In order to ACCELERATE to c, you would experience some pretty strong forces especially since you will have gained an infinite amount of mass that requires an infinite amount of energy to accelerate to c! Now that's some strong forces to experience!

"Hyper-light speed travel must be possible, simply because other civilisations have been visiting us for eons."
Perhaps in your fantasy world, but not in reality.

"Who's to say what 'speed of light' is outside of our solar system anyway?"
Pretty much everyone that's performed the experiments that show it to be true. That's quite a lot of people!

"The main reason I am convinced of interstellar travel is from my own sighting of an interstellar craft. What other purpose could there be for a 1000ft long metal object (cigartube shape) able to hang silently in our atmosphere for at least half an hour? Hence my user name!"
I don't know...delusion comes to mind. Also hysteria.

"My 32x astronomical telescope revealed the detail of this sunlit bright spot of light at 20.30 on 3rd June 1965. All my family plus friends witnessed it. Other sightings have spotted smaller disk-shaped craft docking with this 'mother ship'."
Telescopes can't really help the infirmed. I suggest medication instead.
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"Absolutely! The Anti matter reaction of black holes gobble up positive matter untill the ammount of negative matter produced by the creation of (star collapse) the black hole is equal. the space/time ripple that is created by a black hole, is the gateway to travel. but, good luck finding one close enough to travel to."
Which episode of Dr. Who was that? There's been so many I just can't keep track. Now back to reality: there's no such thing as "negative/positive" matter, as all forms of known matter contain both negative and positive. Antimatter contains negative & positive and so does matter.
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TBone, I must reply to your outburst!

"1) Time travel can only work without your body. It is not physically possible."
That's kind of ridiculous as "travel" and "time" are physical things.
>No - time is a one-way phenomenon NOT linked with space.

"Join David Morehouse in his Psychic Warrior...."
Or you can watch the SyFy Channel, ... But if you want to stick to reality & not fantasy, then you'll need to avoid such nonsense.
>The USSR, China and USA military did some serious research on that 'fantasy' - only problem it wasn't quite reliable enough. I hope you discover you have a soul before you leave this mortal coil.

Otherwise known as acceleration. In order to ACCELERATE to c, you would experience some pretty strong forces especially since you will have gained an infinite amount of mass that requires an infinite amount of energy to accelerate to c! Now that's some strong forces to experience!
> Somehow I don't think it's quite as bad as that. Once you understand gravity and how matter really behaves - on a subtronic level.

"Hyper-light speed travel must be possible, simply because other civilisations have been visiting us for eons."
Perhaps in your fantasy world, but not in reality.
> Don't speak too soon.

"Who's to say what 'speed of light' is outside of our solar system anyway?"
Pretty much everyone that's performed the experiments that show it to be true. That's quite a lot of people!
>And while we're on 'c' you might have heard from ESA that our assumed 'CONSTANTS' are now in question. Variable 'alpha' is the first.
When was the last test done outside of the heliosphere? You are making an assumption that things are the same everywhere. The plasma envelope you call the solar system is but a tiny semi-spherical discharge bubble in the vast electrical circuit of our local galaxy. Our primitive manmade craft are only now reaching that zone.

What other purpose could there be for a 1000ft long metal object (cigartube shape) able to hang silently in our atmosphere for at least half an hour? Hence my user name!"
I don't know...delusion comes to mind. Also hysteria.
>How insulting of you. Obviously you are jealous of those who saw something you missed. Hysteria doesn't come into it I simply left off my homework and bodged a coathanger into a tripod so that we could all have a look at this shining dot in the sky.

Telescopes can't really help the infirmed. I suggest medication instead.
>Watch it super hero! That's hardly a scientific argument - more like religious fervour from someone who DOES NOT WANT TO BE CHALLENGED WITH THE TRUTH!

"Absolutely! The Anti matter reaction of black holes gobble up positive matter untill the ammount of negative matter produced by the creation of (star collapse) the black hole is equal. the space/time ripple that is created by a black hole, is the gateway to travel. but, good luck finding one close enough to travel to."
> I don't know why I am wasting my breath on someone who believes this utter tripe! Black Holes - sounds like the hysteria has got to you. Who in their right mind...

as all forms of known matter contain both negative and positive. Antimatter contains negative & positive and so does matter.
> Says who?




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