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The Cincinnatian was a named passenger train operated by the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad
. The B&O inaugurated service on January 19, 1947, with service between Baltimore, Maryland and Cincinnati, Ohio
, essentially a truncated route of the National Limited
which operated between Jersey City, New Jersey and St. Louis. This route was unsuccessful due to the thin population along the line, and the route was changed on June 25, 1950 from a Baltimore to Cincinnati daylight schedule to a Detroit to Cincinnati daylight schedule where it would remain until the creation of Amtrak
. On this new routing the train sets became successful almost from the beginning. http://www.trains.com/community/forum/post.asp?method=ReplyQuote&REPLY_ID=636753&TOPIC_ID=35270&FORUM_ID=3&S_ID=2 The Cincinnatian on this route used many mail cars, which contributed to the route's success.
The Cincinnatian is most famed for its original dedicated equipment, rebuilt in the Baltimore and Ohio Mount Clare Shops
. The design work was done by Olive Dennis, a pioneering civil engineer
employed by the railroad and appointed by Daniel Willard
to special position in charge of such work for passenger service. Four P-7 "president" class Pacific
locomotives (5301-5304) were rebuilt and shrouded as class P-7d, with roller bearings on all axles and larger six-axle tenders. Older heavyweight passenger cars were completely stripped and rebuilt as streamliner
s. The livery used the blue and gray scheme designed by Otto Kuhler
, which Dennis laid on the engine and tender in a pattern of horizontal stripes and angled lines.
In 1970 and 1971, the Cincinnatian was the only Baltimore and Ohio train on the Cincinnati to Detroit route. The trains no longer offered checked baggage—passengers had to carry their own luggage on and off the coaches.
Food was not available either. The 1970 timetable said "Food and beverages may be purchased at Toledo station during station stop." That meant a long wait for hungry northbound riders who left Hamilton at 10:47 a.m. and arrived in Toledo at 2:30 p.m. Southbound, the train departed Toledo at 11:45 a.m. and stopped in Hamilton at 3:25 p.m. The B&O still was using the name and same numbers when the railroad ended passenger service on April 30, 1971.
http://www.lanepl.org/blount/jbcols/documents/A8FCDC056A726AB74C810A4CF590923DCD5F846D.html When Amtrak
took over service on May 1, 1979, it did not continue operating any of B & O's remaining passenger routes.
5301 PRESIDENT ADAMS 4-6-2 Streamlined Pacific & Tender
1307 EDEN PARK Baggage Crew Day Room Buffet 24-seat Lounge Car
3565 INDIAN HILL
60 revenue seat Coach
3572 OAKLEY
56 Revenue seat Coach with Stewardess Room
3567 COLLEGE HILL
60 Revenue seat Coach
3304 PEEBLES CORNER 24-seat Dining 18-seat Lounge Observation
SECOND CONSIST
5302 PRESIDENT JEFFERSON 4-6-2 Streamlined Pacific & Tender
1308 HYDE PARK
Baggage Crew Day Room Buffet 24-seat Lounge Car
3566 WINTON PLACE
60 Revenue seat Coach
3573 NORWOOD
56 Revenue seat Coach with Stewardess Room
3568 WALNUT HILLS
60 Revenue seat Coach
3305 FOUNTAIN SQUARE
24 seat Dining 18-seat Lounge Observation
BAGGAGE CREW DAY-ROOM BUFFET 24-SEAT LOUNGE COMBINATION CARS
Baltimore and Ohio Mount Clare Shops, December, 1946 (Re-built
and Streamlined for the CINCINNATIANS)
1307 EDEN PARK
1308 HYDE PARK
60 REVENUE SEAT COACHES Baltimore and Ohio Mount Clare Shops,
December 1946 (Re-built and Streamlined for the CINCINNATIANS)
3565 INDIAN HILL
3566 WINTON PLACE
3567 COLLEGE HILL
2568 WALNUT HILLS
56 REVENUE SEAT COACHES WITH STEWARDESS ROOM Baltimore and Ohio
Mount Clare Shops, December 1946 (Re-built and Streamlined for the CINCINNATIANS)
3572 OAKLEY
3573 NORWOOD
24 SEAT DINING 18-SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Baltimore and Ohio
Mount Clare Shops, December 1946 (Re-built and Streamlined for CINCINNATIANS)
3304 PEEBLES CORNERS
3305 FOUNTAIN SQUARE
Two 52 revenue seat streamlined Coaches 3574 AVONDALE and 3575 PRICE HILL were completed by
Mount Clare Shops in March, 1947 and replaced 60 Revenue seat Coaches 3567 COLLEGE HILL and 3568 WALNUT HILLS in the CINCINNATIANS at that time.
52 REVENUE SEAT COACHES Baltimore and Ohio Mount Clare Shops, March 1947 (Re-built and Streamlined for the CINCINNATIANS)
3574 AVONDALE
3575 PRICE HILL
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The Cincinnatian was a named passenger train operated by the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad
Baltimore and Ohio Railroad
The Baltimore and Ohio Railroad was one of the oldest railroads in the United States and the first common carrier railroad. It came into being mostly because the city of Baltimore wanted to compete with the newly constructed Erie Canal and another canal being proposed by Pennsylvania, which...
. The B&O inaugurated service on January 19, 1947, with service between Baltimore, Maryland and Cincinnati, Ohio
Cincinnati, Ohio
Cincinnati is a city in the U.S. state of Ohio. Cincinnati is the county seat of Hamilton County. Settled in 1788, the city is located to north of the Ohio River at the Ohio-Kentucky border, near Indiana. The population within city limits is 296,943 according to the 2010 census, making it Ohio's...
, essentially a truncated route of the National Limited
National Limited
The National Limited was the premier train of the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad on its route between New York City and St. Louis, Missouri, with major station stops in Washington, D.C., and Cincinnati, Ohio. The all-Pullman version of the National Limited was introduced by the B&O on April 26,...
which operated between Jersey City, New Jersey and St. Louis. This route was unsuccessful due to the thin population along the line, and the route was changed on June 25, 1950 from a Baltimore to Cincinnati daylight schedule to a Detroit to Cincinnati daylight schedule where it would remain until the creation of Amtrak
Amtrak
The National Railroad Passenger Corporation, doing business as Amtrak , is a government-owned corporation that was organized on May 1, 1971, to provide intercity passenger train service in the United States. "Amtrak" is a portmanteau of the words "America" and "track". It is headquartered at Union...
. On this new routing the train sets became successful almost from the beginning. http://www.trains.com/community/forum/post.asp?method=ReplyQuote&REPLY_ID=636753&TOPIC_ID=35270&FORUM_ID=3&S_ID=2 The Cincinnatian on this route used many mail cars, which contributed to the route's success.
The Cincinnatian is most famed for its original dedicated equipment, rebuilt in the Baltimore and Ohio Mount Clare Shops
Mount Clare Shops
The Mount Clare Shops is the oldest railroad manufacturing complex in the United States, located in Baltimore, Maryland. It was founded by the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad in 1829. Mt. Clare was the site of many inventions and innovations in railroad technology. It is presently the site of the...
. The design work was done by Olive Dennis, a pioneering civil engineer
Civil engineering
Civil engineering is a professional engineering discipline that deals with the design, construction, and maintenance of the physical and naturally built environment, including works like roads, bridges, canals, dams, and buildings...
employed by the railroad and appointed by Daniel Willard
Daniel Willard
Daniel Willard was a railroad executive best known as the president of the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad from 1910 to 1941. He served on or headed several government railroad commissions in World War I and appeared on the cover of Time magazine in 1932 due to his part in negotiating wage cuts in the...
to special position in charge of such work for passenger service. Four P-7 "president" class Pacific
4-6-2
4-6-2, in the Whyte notation for the classification of steam locomotives, represents the wheel arrangement of four leading wheels on two axles , six powered and coupled driving wheels on three axles, and two trailing wheels on one axle .These locomotives are also known as Pacifics...
locomotives (5301-5304) were rebuilt and shrouded as class P-7d, with roller bearings on all axles and larger six-axle tenders. Older heavyweight passenger cars were completely stripped and rebuilt as streamliner
Streamliner
A streamliner is a vehicle incorporating streamlining in a shape providing reduced air resistance. The term is applied to high-speed railway trainsets of the 1930s to 1950s, and to their successor "bullet trains". Less commonly, the term is applied to fully faired recumbent bicycles...
s. The livery used the blue and gray scheme designed by Otto Kuhler
Otto Kuhler
Otto Kuhler was an American designer, one of the best known industrial designers of the American railroads. According to Trains magazine he streamstyled more locomotives and railroad cars than Cret, Dreyfuss and Loewy combined...
, which Dennis laid on the engine and tender in a pattern of horizontal stripes and angled lines.
In 1970 and 1971, the Cincinnatian was the only Baltimore and Ohio train on the Cincinnati to Detroit route. The trains no longer offered checked baggage—passengers had to carry their own luggage on and off the coaches.
Food was not available either. The 1970 timetable said "Food and beverages may be purchased at Toledo station during station stop." That meant a long wait for hungry northbound riders who left Hamilton at 10:47 a.m. and arrived in Toledo at 2:30 p.m. Southbound, the train departed Toledo at 11:45 a.m. and stopped in Hamilton at 3:25 p.m. The B&O still was using the name and same numbers when the railroad ended passenger service on April 30, 1971.
http://www.lanepl.org/blount/jbcols/documents/A8FCDC056A726AB74C810A4CF590923DCD5F846D.html When Amtrak
Amtrak
The National Railroad Passenger Corporation, doing business as Amtrak , is a government-owned corporation that was organized on May 1, 1971, to provide intercity passenger train service in the United States. "Amtrak" is a portmanteau of the words "America" and "track". It is headquartered at Union...
took over service on May 1, 1979, it did not continue operating any of B & O's remaining passenger routes.
Equipment used
The following are the two consists of the Cincinnatian (1947)5301 PRESIDENT ADAMS 4-6-2 Streamlined Pacific & Tender
1307 EDEN PARK Baggage Crew Day Room Buffet 24-seat Lounge Car
3565 INDIAN HILL
Indian Hill, Ohio
The Village of Indian Hill is a city in Hamilton County, Ohio, United States, and an affluent suburb of the Greater Cincinnati area. The population was 5,907 at the 2000 census. Prior to 1970, Indian Hill was incorporated as a village, but under Ohio law became designated as a city once its...
60 revenue seat Coach
3572 OAKLEY
Oakley, Ohio
Oakley is a middle-class neighborhood in Cincinnati, Ohio that borders Pleasant Ridge, Madisonville, and Hyde Park. Oakley's business district, called Oakley Square, lies along Madison Road. Oakley is a primary thoroughfare and a major crosstown artery in Cincinnati.In addition to Oakley Square,...
56 Revenue seat Coach with Stewardess Room
3567 COLLEGE HILL
College Hill, Cincinnati
College Hill is a residential neighborhood of Cincinnati, Ohio. Originally a wealthy suburb called Pleasant Hill due to its prime location, it was renamed College Hill because of the two colleges that were established there in the mid-nineteenth century...
60 Revenue seat Coach
3304 PEEBLES CORNER 24-seat Dining 18-seat Lounge Observation
SECOND CONSIST
5302 PRESIDENT JEFFERSON 4-6-2 Streamlined Pacific & Tender
1308 HYDE PARK
Hyde Park, Ohio
Hyde Park is a neighborhood on the east side of Cincinnati, Ohio. In 1998, the average home sales price was $248,512.Hyde Park is an eclectic neighborhood in eastern Cincinnati...
Baggage Crew Day Room Buffet 24-seat Lounge Car
3566 WINTON PLACE
Winton Place, Cincinnati
Spring Grove Village is a neighborhood in Cincinnati, Ohio. It is located just off Interstate 75 in the Mill Creek Valley. Approximately 2,600 residents live in an area just under...
60 Revenue seat Coach
3573 NORWOOD
Norwood, Ohio
Norwood is the second most populous city in Hamilton County, Ohio, United States. The city is an enclave of the larger city of Cincinnati. The population was 21,675 at the 2000 census. Originally settled as an early suburb of Cincinnati in the wooded countryside north of the city, the area is...
56 Revenue seat Coach with Stewardess Room
3568 WALNUT HILLS
Walnut Hills, Cincinnati, Ohio
Walnut Hills is a neighborhood in Cincinnati, Ohio.A large diverse area on the near East side of Cincinnati. Home of highly ranked Walnut Hills High School and located within five minutes of the University of Cincinnati and ten minutes driving of downtown Cincinnati; the beautiful Eden Park is the...
60 Revenue seat Coach
3305 FOUNTAIN SQUARE
Fountain Square, Cincinnati
Fountain Square is a city square in Cincinnati. Founded in 1871, it was renovated in 1971 and 2005 and currently features many shops, restaurants, hotels, and offices.- History :...
24 seat Dining 18-seat Lounge Observation
BAGGAGE CREW DAY-ROOM BUFFET 24-SEAT LOUNGE COMBINATION CARS
Baltimore and Ohio Mount Clare Shops, December, 1946 (Re-built
and Streamlined for the CINCINNATIANS)
1307 EDEN PARK
1308 HYDE PARK
60 REVENUE SEAT COACHES Baltimore and Ohio Mount Clare Shops,
December 1946 (Re-built and Streamlined for the CINCINNATIANS)
3565 INDIAN HILL
3566 WINTON PLACE
3567 COLLEGE HILL
2568 WALNUT HILLS
56 REVENUE SEAT COACHES WITH STEWARDESS ROOM Baltimore and Ohio
Mount Clare Shops, December 1946 (Re-built and Streamlined for the CINCINNATIANS)
3572 OAKLEY
3573 NORWOOD
24 SEAT DINING 18-SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Baltimore and Ohio
Mount Clare Shops, December 1946 (Re-built and Streamlined for CINCINNATIANS)
3304 PEEBLES CORNERS
3305 FOUNTAIN SQUARE
Two 52 revenue seat streamlined Coaches 3574 AVONDALE and 3575 PRICE HILL were completed by
Mount Clare Shops in March, 1947 and replaced 60 Revenue seat Coaches 3567 COLLEGE HILL and 3568 WALNUT HILLS in the CINCINNATIANS at that time.
52 REVENUE SEAT COACHES Baltimore and Ohio Mount Clare Shops, March 1947 (Re-built and Streamlined for the CINCINNATIANS)
3574 AVONDALE
Avondale, Cincinnati, Ohio
Avondale is a neighborhood in Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio. It is home to the Cincinnati Zoo and Botanical Garden. It has 18,706 residents, making it Cincinnati's fourth largest neighborhood....
3575 PRICE HILL
Price Hill, Cincinnati
Price Hill is a neighborhood of Cincinnati, Ohio, located north of Sedamsville and Riverside, south of Westwood and South Fairmount, and west of Queensgate. It is one of the oldest outlying settlements of Cincinnati, and includes parts of the zip codes 45205, 45238, and 45204.-Geography:Price Hill...